Illegal Immigrants In Hotels

[Goldengirl123]

What are your thoughts?

Can < won’t

'On an individual basis'

Means each of us does not have to house an asylum seeker, or anyone else, in our own homes. We pay our taxes so the government are responsible. What is known as the social contract. We apply it to all those in need.

On an international level, it means we will be treated abroad in the same way we treat foreign people here. It keeps us all safe. Even in Benidorm.

Asylum seekers are just that - those who have claimed asylum. Not those who have been granted asylum. Many who seek it do not receive it because they have no case. Many of those do not leave.

🤦‍♀️ Menopause has completely obliterated my patience and my tolerance levels, so if you don’t understand this, then you’re just going to have to move on, because I don’t know how else to explain it to you.

1. Staffing is just one of a dozen reasons why some ridiculous idea to create a prison island off the coast of Scotland would not work. It is not the only reason or even the main reason.
2. If the staff who are trained to process asylum claims, teachers, doctors, detention staff etc, wanted to work on an inescapable tiny space in the middle of the North Sea, then they would be applying to work on oil rigs. The fact that they aren’t suggests that they aren’t willing to wave goodbye to their loved ones and go to work on a prison island for six months at a time, irrespective of the money. Some might, granted, but the costs to the tax payer would be prohibitive, especially when you add it to the costs of building the bloody place, arguing in the courts to detain women and children and dealing with the protesters that we got with Bibby Stockholm.
3. I agree with you that the current situation is unsustainable. I haven’t seen this much tension in communities for years and it’s worrying for so many different reasons. But I’m not posting with any intention of suggesting a solution to it. I’m not commenting on the issues in people’s communities. I responded, I believe to someone else, just pointing out why the idea wouldn’t work because there were other factors at play that hadn’t been considered. If you want to discuss community tensions, then find someone who is interested in having that conversation with you. Because I’m not.
4. You might think that the language around it is a distraction and irrelevant but that is because you know fuck all about immigration. Language matters. How can you formulate a clear and coherent point if you don’t use the correct language? And if you’re going to have people protesting about migrants and demanding deportation when they don’t even understand what constitutes illegal/legal entry or what deportation actually is, then they’re just going to sound like people who have ‘done their research’ on Facebook, rather than having a valid point.

If the staff who are trained to process asylum claims, teachers, doctors, detention staff etc, wanted to work on an inescapable tiny space in the middle of the North Sea, then they would be applying to work on oil rigs.

There is no shortage of oil rig workers.

There would be if their skill set was the one necessary for processing asylum seekers.

Why would a teacher apply to work on an oil rig?

What the fuck are you even talking about???

A teacher might well apply to work on a remote island for a couple of years if it meant their tax was reduced to 20% for the next ten. Or if they were provided with £10,000 in an ISA for a house deposit or if they were paid 1.5 times their salary.

There are many ways you could entice and reward people to work there. You’re just pretending to not get that.

Why? It is a question of pay. Plenty of people work on oil rigs not in the NorthSea but in dangerous countries worldwide. Lots like working month on month off too.

Yes, I know. What I’m not quite sure about is what point you’re making.

You’re saying no professionals such as teachers or doctors would agree to working on a remote island for a couple of years because those same people wouldn’t want to work on an oil rig which is ridiculous.

You were stating people didn’t and therefore wouldn’t work on an island. Though assuming we are not talking St Kilda, Scottish Islands are hardly forbidding places in the middle of the North Sea (not that St Kilda is in the North Sea either)

Fuck my old boots 🤦‍♀️ I don’t know if you’re tired or being purposely obtuse or you’re just having a really bad day but if you cannot be bothered to read the entirety of what I wrote, rather than just picking out some obscure sentence, then I cannot argue with you anymore.

They bought their (average) own home for 3 times an average salary. Now it's 8 X.

I was a teacher for eight years before I had children. If I had been offered any kind of deal that saw me pay less tax, get paid a higher salary or have more holiday time etc. without an increase in responsibility I would have done it like a shot.

Yeah, that’s exactly what I said, exactly what I meant and, indeed, the only thing in dozens of sentences that was relevant.

Are you ok?

You seem to be very confused by what you’ve written. You’re denying writing and also reconfirming points simultaneously

Loads of asylum seekers are young men from Iran. Iran has explicitly stated it wishes to harm the UK and called on its citizens to do so. How do we know that those young men are not agents of their state? What do we do to protect the UK whilst we assess their claims?

Uk intelligence list biggest threat as right wingers who radicalise and cuckoo others to incite violence and unrest. UK citizens radicalising others and inciting violence

It doesn't matter.

@Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim

No, I’m quite irritated with myself to be honest. Instead of rising above it, I’ve allowed myself to be drawn into an argument with a wind up merchant who doesn’t have the capacity to read an entire paragraph. Completely my fault for engaging instead of ignoring.

We committed to take a number of people from Ukraine, Hong Kong and Afghanistan to meet our humanitarian obligations. The young men arriving by boat are not the most needy just the most able.

That's not going to help the British mouth pallet. We have our citizens walking around with a lisp we are deporting or trying to burn qualified dentists. Our citizens are walking around not sounding English because of their soft pallet.

You have repeatedly denied writing something before writing the same thing again and you’re accusing me of being on a wind up?

DARVO

So you are saying there are no safeguards at all because UK intelligence are focused on right wingers (despite Islamic terrorists being the biggest recognised terrorist risk)?

It is also rather concerning that you state an instrument of the state is concerned with those who sit on the political right, not even far right. Democracy anyone?

Mental on here innit?

Anyway, I think the GoldenGirl123 who started this has gone to bed. Sort of lit the touch paper and run off.