Illegal Immigrants In Hotels

[Goldengirl123]

What are your thoughts?

There were nearly 1million immigrants last year who settled here. It's disingenuous to imply the issue we have is with just 32k.

Well as you know the difference , you will probably also know how many of those million are on work visa's and how many are students and how many are on designated legal pathways such as people leaving Ukraine , Afghanistan and Hong Kong ?

So going by your post, the vast, vast, vast majority of immigrants to the UK were here legally. And of course you know that a very large proportion of those will be students - paying international fees to support our Universities. Lose them, and you will hit the economy hard. And of course most of them will leave after graduating, because wages and terms are better elsewhere.

Not so simple, is it?

I do know that, correct. However, you were working yourself into a frenzy about asylum seekers and suggesting that they're a threat to women in this country. So you object to all immigration. On what basis?

Agree. I dont understand why people are continuously repeating that the majority of sex crimes are committed by British men. Of course they are because there are many more British white men living in the UK. If you break it down though into percentages, then the answer will be very different.

Agree. I dont understand why people are continuously repeating that the majority of sex crimes are committed by British men. Of course they are because there are many more British white men living in the UK.

So what you are essentially saying is that committing sexual assaults isn't a race thing, it is a men thing ? I don't think anyone is going to disagree with you on that point !

Sorry, they wouldn’t risk their lives crossing the Channel once they were in France, hardly a war-torn country, but it’s not a soft touch like the UK. Sort of dilutes the argument of all the people needing the safety of the UK!

Wrong poster. That wasn't me.

Doesn't bother me. If people are here id rather the government be able to see where they are. Everyone deserves shelter. Alot of homeless people yes not all have drink or drug issues.

The boot is never on the other foot though, we never do want to flee to their countries.
Everyone wants to come too soft old England.

Perhaps all those people who are pro illegal immigrants, asylum seekers or whatever you want to call them, should put them up. Problem solved.

This is such an ignorant and over-simplistic
argument.

I think the NHS is in a state, but nobody says WELL BECOME A DOCTOR, THEN. PROBLEM SOLVED.

I think the police is underfunded, but nobody says WELL GIVE THE POLICE ALL YOUR MONEY, THEN. PROBLEM SOLVED.

You’re allowed to have a political opinion without positing yourself and your home as the direct solution.

If the UK were in the kind of state Afghanistan and Sudan are in, you can bet people would be leaving and seeking asylum elsewhere. Honestly, this is such a stupid point to make. Of course the UK is a desirable destination. We aren't a war zone. 🙄

Well OBVIOUSLY we don’t want to flee to their countries.

But plenty flee to Spain etc,

I wonder that life would be like if the Australians, Canadians etc sent back everyone who went there over the years.

We can't just rock.up in another country without being vetted and paying our way.
The Canaries don't want ppl.hoing on.holiday to their islands. Loads of protests last year
No reason why we shouldn't push back abit.

When we go to Europe or around the world they know we are English because we walk around with a soft pallet. The majority of migrants work in the NHS okay we get rid of them and travel with soft pallets.

The success rate at first attempt is down to around 50% now.

But that’s for many clear reasons. We are from a country of privilege. We are not war torn, we are not in a famine, we are not deprived of essential resources etc… We have many social programs, ample education opportunities, employment opportunities… Personally, I am so grateful I’m from the UK and did not need to leave for my and my family’s rights and/or survival. There are many problems in the UK, but there are also many, many things to be thankful for and many resources we can share with those lacking.

But they might be horrible old harridens. And their husbands might be historical rapists. I might not want my taxes being used to keep their feet warm. And other pointless arguments...

We exist as a society. If your house is burgled, or you are mugged and you ring the police, we don't say "well, it didn't happen to me, and you should've double locked all your doors and never gone out, and anyway, where is your dad from?

If you or your offspring turn up at A&E because you had an avoidable accident, we don't ask where your great granny was from.

It's a nonsense argument. People use "well you put 'em up then" as a conversation stopper. Like a 'gotcha' if you like. It's a way of derailing any reasoned debate. A bit like "well, you smell of poo"

And anyway, you have no way of knowing which pensioners are British.

Being accurate is my line. Not misinterpreting the law is my line. I’m not interested in Gotchas. I’m just not going to waste both of our time arguing. You think you’re right. You’re not willing to acknowledge that you’re not, so what’s the point in discussing it any further? Why would I waste my time trying to convince you that you’re wrong? There’s nothing in it for me except a tension headache.

Significantly more people apply for and receive asylum in France than in the UK. This is a long term trend.

I think that comment simply meant we already have responsibilities to meet with British citizens. While we are failing to do that, we cannot expand our responsibilities to accommodate tens of thousands of undocumented men every year.

And are the other 50% deported?

It's 'palate', and your obsession with it is concerning.

Someone upthread said asylum seekers in France are "given a tent and a sleeping bag." False. Asylum seekers in France receive a certificate of asylum and are entitled to social and health benefits, including a daily allowance and complementary health insurance. They are housed in reception centres in humane conditions. So obviously the choice to come here is not because of poor or inhumane conditions in France.

So you’d be one of those willing to house a couple of asylum seekers? If not, why not? If you’re so ok with people who have entered the country illegally being housed at taxpayers expense, surely you’d be fine with a couple of asylum seekers living with you and you supporting them?

But they haven't entered the country illegally. You just want to believe that they have. I want to believe I've won the Lottery, but actually I know better.