Illegal Immigrants In Hotels

[Goldengirl123]

What are your thoughts?

This is an all time classic post whichever side of the debate you are on. Made me laugh 😂

The solution to this is increased remuneration for British workers who do these jobs, or to offer seasonal work visas.
Not to continue to pay a stream of unskilled immigrants to do it on the cheap.

So… what the previous government was planning in Rwanda?

If you’re talking about having some kind of processing centre in France, then you’re relying on the French agreeing to go along with it. Remember Sangatte? They may have been the ones who created it, but they’re were quite happy to go along with its closure when we requested it, and they’ve been very resistant to anything similar being opened. So if we manage to get round the objections of the French, having huge numbers of asylum seekers heading towards Calais, then you need to consider the practicality of it.

We’d be taking responsibility for them, so we’d need enough land to build a small town to house them, with different accommodation for single men, families, single women and unaccompanied minors, as well as have offices and accommodation for staff to consider their claims, medical staff, interpreters, legal advisors, etc. As well as kitchens, clothing facilities, security staff etc, teachers and education facilities for the children etc. What happens to those people who are refused? Under whose laws will we be returning them to their home countries? Will it be British staff working there? In which case will we be laying transport on? Or paying them allowances for staying overnight? Or will we pay to train French staff in English policies? If we think we’re paying out too much in hotels, how much do you think it would cost to run that in France?

And if we have a processing centre in a third country, we’d be telling asylum seekers who wish to claim in the UK to travel there, rather that us telling them that if they came to the UK, we’d process them in Rwanda. So how would we facilitate their journey to the place we’re telling them they have to go to? We’d be obliging other countries to just allow people to enter on the grounds that they were just passing through on their way to us? It wouldn’t even stop the small boats because anyone who is determined to come here and gets a negative reply in Calais will just jump on the next small boat over to the UK and disappear into the black market. Unless you’re thinking that they can be detained until their appeals have been heard? In which case, you’d need to build a secure detention facility as well that complied with French law.

It’s not as simple as opening a processing centre in France.

Challenged on what? That you have stated that asylum seekers can legally work which is blatantly untrue.

I don’t know, but lots of people work in cafes and bars for the same wage as picking veg so imagine it’s to do with the fact that the work is tough. Or caring or hospital portering. But I don’t begrudge farmers who struggle in general to pay minimum wage for it, life for a farmer is tough as it is. Or the NHS. These jobs need doing and if no one from Britain wants to do them then it will have to be someone else. The farmers have talked about this many times. What else are they supposed to do? The supermarkets have got farmers bent over a barrel as it is, maybe blame them for the fact farmers can’t pay more. But don’t blame the people who are willing to do a hard days work to pick your food.

Under International law it’s classed as legal, but not under UK law….

Already answered this.

It's showing more and.more that's it's not all men it's actually a lot of families, it's the far right that keeps saying it's young men coming into the country but I've been watching the videos where people are sneaking into these hotels and they are all families most of them.

Do the farmers pay minimum wage, and their workers are on the books, ie paying national insurance and taxes? Or are they paid cash in hand?

Of the top of my head, one of the uninhabited islands off the coast of Scotland might work.

hotel/accommodation owners most definitely do make money - please all feast your eyes on this guy

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14700027/amp/Britains-billionaire-migrant-hotel-king-Meet-caravan-park-tycoon.html

We are asked every few years to democratically elect representatives we think will make the best choices for us. Or do you expect a referendum every time any decision needs to be made?

They don't 'sneak in on dinghies'

They call Border Force / the UK authorities as soon as they enter UK waters and claim asylum- they announce themselves to the authorities. Mostly the Border Force or Coastguard bots pick them up and take them to Dover.

Just like those who manage to get on planes announce themselves and claim asylum as soon as they land.

Actually more asylum claims are accepted from people who come in small boats than by other means. Maybe noon-legit asylum seekers find it easier to get false passports / plane tickets etc.

Well that very much depends.

If they arrive by small boat and promptly disappear, then that very much is an offence. Not one that we would prosecute; it’s dealt with administratively. But it’s still an offence irrespective of whether or not they claim asylum. If they’re come in the back of a lorry, then they have evaded immigration control and have most definitely entered illegally.

If they’re in a small boat and they’re rescued or escorted onto land, or they alert the authorities as soon as they get here, they’re classed as new arrivals and not illegal entrants.

It’s all in the Act.

I have no idea, I’m not a farmer. But if you’re trying to insist that farmers are only employing immigrants because they can get away with paying them poorly, that’s not the case. For some, I’m sure it’s, but we had a campaign a while back for Brits to take up the work and it fell flat on its face. And I imagine those who work in the NHS are employed through the correct channels for immigrants who have been given asylum.

So keep reaching.

How about paying people a wage commensurate with the back breaking work? How about giving the people doing these back breaking jobs, short shifts, shade, maybe even a toilet and handwashing facilities? Nah let's just get the world's poor to do it instead.

Amazing so many otherwise woke lefties are happy to exploit the worlds poor.

76% of adult asylum seekers to the uk are male.

You are missing my point they go to work they don't sit. We need to teach our youngsters right from wrong and what you put in you get out. As a citizen of this country I think it's embarrassing that our young is not working because of lack of guidance of teaching and ambition. You have these migrants risking their lives to come here not only in the water and in the hotels they are in. They want to work and do work to support our economy and our old people. What don't you like about that you should be encouraged that someone is saying it as it is.

I didn’t ask you anything.

Families send sons because they're more likely to be regarded as political citizens, which can get them in to trouble. They're more likely to be conscripted and made to fight. And they're less likely to be assaulted or raped on the journey to what these families see as the promised land.
Little do they know how they're going to be treated when they get here.
I saw a Simon Reeve programme where he talked to some young migrant males, and they were saying that if they'd know what the journey and the treatment was going to be like they wouldn't have done it. But their families spend all they have on their passage, and some say it's seen as failure if you go back.

It failed because landowners insisted that you have to live away from home in their caravans for weeks at a time in order to pick a carrot for minimum wage.

You can be sad about both.

The point is they do

Again, no one is saying that. Of course there should be fair wages for fair work. That’s nothing to do with leftism, have you spearheaded a campaign to change those wages? Of course you haven’t. Becauee deep down you don’t fucking care. We all know wages should be fair and currently things aren’t, we’re in a huge shitty situation. So currently we need people willing to do the work until we get a government who change things.

The figures suggest that in 2024, the majority of people entering in boats were just men - 76%. Either they’re cowards abandoning their women to the dangerous regimes they claim to be fleeing from, or they’re being a bit economical with the truth about why they’re fleeing…