Illegal Immigrants In Hotels

[Goldengirl123]

What are your thoughts?

The previous poster used ECHR as an example of international law. It’s not.

Oh here we go another thick rascist. First of all the people in hotels aren’t here illegally. They are asylum seeker’s they wouldn’t be in hotels if here illegally. Some immigrants are homeless themselves or some are in debt to the traffickers who brought them and working for very little. The Morecambe bay cockle pickers is one example. As for we should be helping our own do you do anything yourself to help the homeless? There are homeless ethnic minorities as well not just British.

No it isn’t. That Act isn’t worth the paper it’s written on for the reasons I’ve already gone into. We can’t just overwrite international law, it was written so the government were seen to be “doing something”.

I hadn’t noticed any of that during my time working with asylum seekers, no.

The asylum seekers in hotels are also here legally.

It’s not illegal to seek asylum. If they were here illegally, they wouldn’t have been given accommodation.

Stop editing the truth to suit your narrative 😂.

I said uk law doesn’t trump international law. I then named the international law and then a European law. Why are you reaching so hard?

Means he doesn't have an excuse to turn up at her doorstep and wail and plead that he hasn't got anywhere to go and might as well kill himself if she won't let him see the children right now (and then refuse to leave once she's been coerced and manipulated into letting him in 'for a minute').

You should make sure your grammar is absolutely perfect if you’re going to call people thick. Really.

It is an international treaty - the UK is a signatory to it. The UK won’t risk breaching it.

I’m not editing anything.

I’m pointing out that the ECHR isn’t international law as was previously claimed.

We need to have a real conversation about what we can do to rectify the situation because the current process isn’t sustainable.

Millions of young people are doing nothing. They are spending 4 years in university and then leave doing nothing. We need young men to come overwork pay taxes and have children. We need our elderly to be looked after you .don't see English people doing it. Get rid of them all and then you will see a crisis in this country. Facts

We need tax paying individuals in this country who WILL work or else we are fucked facts. All those guys outside hotels rioting and picketing all day should be in work paying taxes and having families.

This is an unsustainable way to deal with the issue.

We need to look at WHY our young people are apathetic towards work and address that.

Not import people who are willing to work under the current conditions because eventually they will have children who refuse to do those jobs too. Not to mention the moral implications of thinking British people are above working jobs that immigrants are expected to.

I’m hoping someone has already said this but I can’t face RTFT - the question should read:

what do people think of perfectly legal asylum seekers, who are largely traumatised and desperate, being put in often subhuman conditions in buildings that were once hotels?

I also won’t be responding to xenophobic idiots who get their news from Facebook.

Posters seem to think that the UK is first choice, whereas we are often the last chance.
Germany usually number one, then Denmark, they get turned down all over Europe before us. Some immediately, some live and work elsewhere for years and Denmark even deport directly to us!

Some phones were given out during Covid when face to face interviews were suspended but they aren’t considered an essential item so are not given out routinely. Do you actually know from personal experience people are taken to mobile phone shops, given phones and shown how to use them or are you just repeating more of the urban myths around asylum seekers? Do you actually think people from other countries don’t know what a mobile phone is or how to use them?
Asylum seekers have no recourse to public funds apart from the small allowance they get.

Why are they getting their asylum rejected by multiple countries?

My thoughts are- educate yourself on the difference between illegal immigrants and asylum seekers .

This!!!

A family that has paid their rent and maintained their tenancy well have to stay until the bailiffs remove them when they are evicted else they will be found "voluntarily homeless" and the local authority have no obligation to house them.

An adult with no children is deemed not vulnerable and so the local authority has no duty to house them.

Homeless people are not all addicts. The number of homeless is rising and will continue to rise. The cost of putting the homeless in temporary accommodation is forecast to bankrupt multiple councils in the coming years.

This echoes my thoughts. Martin Smith on FB:
”Two years ago I stayed two nights, by accident, in a former hotel in the process of converting to an asylum hostel. Heres my story and what I learned:

I was needed on a job with work at a site just outside Coventry at very short notice. I googled the nearest hotel to the site and booked it online. On arrival at 10pm the car park was almost empty apart from a few works vans for a local building firm and needed weeding. There was one person on reception and having waited on my own in the lobby for 20 minutes asked me if I was sure I had the right hotel and explained it had just converted its use to a hostel. She explained the situation and told me this was her last night as hotel staff had been fired and replaced with a skeleton crew on minimum wage. I decided to stay even though all the hotel facilities were long closed down including the bar, the kitchen and even the vending machines and lifts. They offered breakfast in a private room in the morning at 7am only and advised me not to speak to other residents. I did not obey this instruction

What I learned:

• Several hundred old and young men, women and a handful of children were housed sometimes in groups of 4 to 6 in former double hotel rooms.
• Cleaning/airing of my room had not happened for several weeks
• There was no clean bed linen or housekeeping service
• The windows were badly in need of cleaning and there were tiles loose in the bathroom, rusty taps and wallpaper starting to peel
• The hotel smelled very strongly of tobacco smoke leading me to suspect the hotel standard smoke alarms had been disabled
• The breakfast was truly poor quality and without choice over contents or dietary options.
• Many residents were too traumatised and terrified to talk, avoided me particularly and stayed in their crowded rooms 23 hours a day
• Many I talked with were from Somalia or Afghanistan - including at least one who had been a former British Army interpreter.
• A few asked me to go to the corner shop on their behalf to buy cigarettes and Coke with their pocket money of at the time around £2 a day.
• This was a former hotel which had been converted into a hostel for asylum seekers. I was the last paying guest and they shouldnt have taken my booking or arranged alternative accommodation once I turned up.
• Statistically three quarters of the people I shared the hostel/hotel with will have been approved for UK residency by now, including, I hope, the former British soldier.
• Not a single resident of the hostel/hotel was illegal in any way

So if far right propoganda about "illegal" asylum seekers living it up in Five Star hotels has you riled up enough to go and threaten them with violence this weekend.... remind yourself youve been lied to and are being used to do the dirty work of far right thugs trying to start a race war. Again.”

You tell me! I don't know?? No point answering my question with a very similar question to what I asked!

You’re wrong. Entering the UK illegally is a prosecutable offence under the immigration laws. It was an offence way before the last Act was passed. It has been an offence, to my knowledge, since at least the 70s, and possibly further back than that.

Us having signed up to the Convention doesn’t mean that it’s no longer an offence. The Convention simply means that we recognise that there’s no lawful way of claiming asylum in the UK so we don’t prosecute anyone for it. Instead, we deal with it administratively.

Whilst we are waiting for our young people our old people are suffering. They have worked all their lives and they are not getting the help and support they need. I blame the families for this issue because they are more passionate about their benefits and fear that it will be taken away by these people who have entered the country illegally. The one thing that all of us can see is that all these migrants have found a job already. As quick as that and our young people are embarrassed that they are poncing from the system and they see immigrants already working within a MONTH of arrival. They are already contributing to the system and they are more respected. Our youngsters should be ashamed of themselves and anyone against immigrants should also be ashamed of themselves. I see abled youngsters in motorised scooters. I was at an Oasis concert and I could see people in the disability section the youngsters were stood dancing throughout the concert unaided.

there are far too many coming here , we cannot sustain this.A fortune is being spent on them and it looks like the younger generations here will never be able to retire. They were safe in france so why all the channel crossings?

Reform voter, I take it. How tedious

Are you conflating all types of immigration here? People with skilled work visas and asylum seekers all in one big demographic?

And do you think all disabled people are in wheelchairs?