Illegal Immigrants In Hotels

[Goldengirl123]

What are your thoughts?

Apart from the fact that women and girls are less likely to be fighting in a war, in many of these situations it can be too dangerous and/or too expensive for whole families to seek asylum, so one member tries to seek asylum elsewhere with the aim of eventually being able to send money back home. These are people in desperate circumstances. Can you not imagine that?

But they usually cannot be deported.

You can’t do that here though can you? You’re not rescuing the uk from the asylum situation that you think is so serious.

how can they do it when you can’t?

Maybe the UK shouldn’t have interfered in “those” countries in the first place?

How about a former military camp? Basic but clean,safe and with essential facilities....if they are good enough for our brave soldiers, surely they are good enough for people seeking refuge from terrible war and persecution.

You should have stayed out of their country then and take everything out of it. England doesn't involve itself in a countries politics if they don't think they will get something out of it. Look at Ukraine and the deal that's on the table.

It wasnt "complex" to house the homeless during the first Covid lockdown
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/10/first-lockdown-england-homelessness-everyone-in-streets

The front is the the front line of fighting

I don't think I said otherwise! If a visa is not an option, they arrive and then apply for asylum as a means of staying in whichever country they choose to apply for asylum in.

Some are coming from so called "safe" countries, which I think is why they dispose of identity documents at the borders or before landing.

Yet you opened up your homes to the Ukrainians and you say colour or religion has nothing to do with it.

In the USA they allow asylum seekers to work, pay taxes and offer English lessons and other support. The more they pay into the system the more chance they have of being allowed to stay so supporting themselves is an incentive. I know this as I personally know undocumented migrants in the US applying for asylum currently. One of them spent some time in the UK on a tourist visa and wanted to stay but could only work illegally/in cash. It was almost impossible to get a legal visa.

Maybe people would be happier if they were at least working, paying taxes and supporting themselves like we've allowed Ukrainians to do.

It’s not complex anytime, but long term homeless people wont stay in hotels.

you have to think there are people who don’t want to live in normal society- a house and bills. Is that not ok?

remember tramps? They were homeless, they didn’t want to live in a property. That was ok wasnt it?

The GDP of the UK is 14 times more than Bangladesh which houses almost a million refugees in just one camp, whilst we host half that number in the whole country. Wealth is relative and though times may be tougher than usual, our population does not face starvation and we are the 6th richest country in the world.
Climate change is set to create an estimated billion more refugees by 2050. It is the rich countries with large carbon footprints who are largely creating this issue, so we need to get used to refugees and take our share (we currently host far less than almost all other countries and it is the poorest countries who host the vast majority).
And whilst we're on the topic of being skint as a country, spending on nuclear programmes is currently forecast at £128 billion by 2033 so we definitely have the money when it suits us! (only 9 countries have nuclear weapons and the others all seem to cope without them) commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8166/

Wonder what Farage would be going on about if by some miracle the asylum seeker issue was sorted out? What would he be using to stir up fear and discontent?

They have used multiple former military camps. I know individuals and families who lived in and are moving in them.

Did I?

maybe stay off Facebook and stop listening to Tommy Robinson and actually find out some factual information before making up your mind instead of letting Tommy Robinson and Facebook do all the thinking for you

They are not illegal.immigrants though ... their claim for asylum needs to be decided upon first.
The government need to do much more to process claims in as short a time as possible.

Does anybody know what the current processing time is?
Regarding use of hotels, it's ridiculous. I don't have a solution though. Other than processing quickly and sending home that are not eligible.
The biggest problem is that too many lawyers are making mega bucks supporting claims and appeals.

Suggest you visit a charity working with homeless people in uk. Lives are complicated and not all people wish to be plonked in a hotel room. Some have pets and cannot be accommodated in hotels.

The hotel rooms allocated to asylum seekers are not luxury.

Oh good another thread to discuss asylum seekers.
If all of them magically disappeared what would improve?
Homeless all housed - oh maybe not as the hotels are under government contracts, not council ones and council are responsible for local homeless and have their own emergency accommodation.
The homeless do have options, but a lot rough sleeping have many, many more deep rooted issues that stop them using council/charity hostels - they would not be using a hotel, (if they’re not already as some do depending on councils’ accommodation and there is space for those that can)
The majority of the hotels used for migrants will just shut after the owners have fleeced as much cash as they can. So we can have derelict hotels instead.
We can let our kids roam as in the 1950s - oh maybe not as we have non asylum seeking people preying on them sometimes!
We can get a GP appointment the same day - probably not, as shutting several hotels won’t improve the economy hugely and only legal migrants get access all services (after paying for it on their visa).
Migration and asylum seeking will never stop - what could stop is hating on other humans but I doubt it will.

What I find awful about the current system is that, in reality, we aren’t giving asylum to the most vulnerable or in need, it’s very ‘survival of the fittest’, granting asylum to those with the greatest means, financially or otherwise, of making the journey here. For every young male who travelled here via small boat we grant asylum to I guarantee there are 1000s of more vulnerable people stuck in their home countries with no means of escape and no young fit male to do their travelling for them.

You wouldn't allow it to happen to the Ukrainians that's my point.

So you are saying they come here to be able to send money back? i.e. economic migrants. SO not fleeing for their lives at all.
If they were fleeing for their lives they would bring their families too. Unless they are absolute scum and leave their families behind, in which case why do you want them here?

All Ukrainian women in combat roles are volunteers, and good for them. Their cause is just.

That is very different from being conscripted into a warlord’s gang at gunpoint to be used as cannon fodder, dying just so he can get richer. The sexism of the warlords is a small mercy.

Firstly, homeless people frequently are housed and fail because they can’t maintain the housing criteria - no alchohol/drugs etc. Homelessness in this country is often a choice as addiction is the main driver.

Secondly, I’ll bring asylum seekers into my home when you house British homeless.

Thirdly, the men travel first as it’s an incredibly dangerous journey. Their families are often behind in humanitarian camps etc. The men get settled and their families obtain legal status and can travel safely.

If you’re going to be horribly ignorant and racist, at least get your facts right.