Illegal Immigrants In Hotels

[Goldengirl123]

What are your thoughts?

They have arrived via France.

There is no threat to them in France.

Asylum means you take refuge in the first country you arrive in.

That's not the UK.

You fell into that one SO the asylum seekers are not fleeing war. Are you serious?

How do they do that then?

That's why people run with the "only men come over, never women and children" line as it fits their narrative.

Apply for a visa or use a UN regulated program for refugees.

Otherwise they would appear to be economic migrants using asylum as a cover. Same everywhere.

We all have to do our bit in Europe. You can leave the EU but we are still part of Europe. We can skill them up and give them work. A lot of English people my partner visits don't want to work and lives in squalor. They wait for their next PIP or UC payment. He works in a reform area.

Did they leave their mothers, wives and daughters in the war then?

Asylum means no such thing. You are free in law to claim where you like.

Most UK asylum seekers are from former British colonies or former or current Commonwealth countries. Many learnt some English at school. Many also learned that the UK was the Promised Land. They may have family here.

I would try to go where I could make the best chance of success, wouldn’t you?

As their ancestors paid the price for Britain’s success, I do not begrudge those with genuine claims in the least.

Well women and children aren’t going to be sent to the front

Genuine question before anyone rios my head off. Why do they endanger themselves by crossing the channel at all? Why not stop in on of the many safe European countries they have passed through?

Why didn't the Ukrainians do that?

Interesting response from AI when I was looking up statistics on nationality and sex crime. Apparently poverty causes rape now.

The UK has a thriving black economy. Easy for them to slip away and work illegally. France has ID cards that curtails this.

“Asylum means you take refuge in the first country you arrive in.”

it obviously doesn’t mean that.

Maybe they speak English but not Greek or French, etc. wouldn’t be beyond the realms of possibility. So maybe we have our colonial past to thank/blame.

Speak English, have friends and family here

These young men should unite and work together in the countries they come from to make their life situations better, over there. It’s not the UK’s responsibility to rescue everyone whose home country’s political systems don’t work.

What "front"?

In reality these were unprofitable or defunct hotels that have been sourced by Govt contractors and turned into de-facto hostels. Some are in pleasanter locations or better buildings than others. All have multi-occupancy rooms and basic food and furniture. The alternative for most local communities with a current Asylum hotel isn't a beautiful thriving wedding venue but an empty or derelict ex-hotel with unemployed ex-staff.

The other reality is that Asylum seekers are less likely than UK nationals to commit crime because they want to be allowed to remain.

It’s not asylum seekers fault they are housed in hotels who charge the gov extortionate rates . It would be interesting to know who these hotel owners are and any links to the government..

don’t bomb other peoples countries and supply arms to them if you don’t want them here.

Many women do indeed fight in wars, including Ukrainians.

They are asylum seekers. If someone who seeks asylum but theire claim is not successful and they remain here then they are an illegal immigrant. Always a good idea to fact check before you post.

You’ve got that the wrong way round. You can apply for a visa to come and study or work here but you can’t apply for asylum from outside the UK. You have to get here and then apply.

https://www.gov.uk/claim-asylum

We need to create a mechanism for people to apply for asylum before they reach this country so they can be processed in situ.

This is not correct. Arriving in a country without a visa and applying for asylum is entirely legal according to the UN Convention on Human Rights which the UK has signed.

You might be referring to the UK Illegal Migrants Act passed by the last Tory government. It attempted to make it illegal to claim asylum in the UK without a visa. I suppose on paper it is. But the Act was badly thought out. It has been almost completely unenforceable for various reasons (mainly no third countries are willing and able to work with the UK as required) and is essentially ignored by all parties for this reason.