Illegal Immigrants In Hotels

[Goldengirl123]

What are your thoughts?

Getting your “facts” from ChatGPT isn’t the flex you think it is 😂 fuck me, I’m pissing myself. How tragic.

Also, they cancelled all the weddings people hadalready booked because the asylum seekers are more profitable. Look up Kilhey Court, Wigan. Disgraceful profiteering, weddings and other events cancelled because the owners were grasping twats.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2023/37/contents
Better?

refugees and economic migrants are different and should be treated as such. We allow way too many to claim asylum when in reality they just want to move for economic reasons. Nothing wrong with that, but as a country we need to be able to say no to some people.

yes we want more suitable people to work in sectors we need them in, such as health and social care.

we do not need people claiming asylum in huge numbers, living in hotels and working illegally as deliveroo drivers.

This is a very good point but everyone just ignores it. What does happen when two cultures collide? There is unrest. So all the people on here righteously defending asylum seekers: how would you suggest this problem is addressed?

I made a mistake saying illegal immigranrs instead of asylum seekers. I do apologise
I have no problem with the Ukrainian women & children coming over as they have come over legally.

OP, you made this mistake because the rhetoric has sunk in. You absorbed ‘illegal immigrants’. And you are STILL misunderstanding. Asylum seekers are no more illegal than Ukrainian refugees.

The vast majority of small boat migrants call the UK authorities as soon as they get into British waters. They claim asylum, get taken by Border Force boats to Dover and put into the processing system for their claim (eventually) to be assessed.

Misinformation and misunderstanding can have terrible results.

The majority of these so-called 'asylum seekers' are young men. If they really are "fleeing war and persecution," I pity their wives and children and parents. Presumably they've been left to face the "war and persecution" on their own. No doubt some of these men are legitimate, but I suspect the majority are just rootless drifters or economic migrants. Others, I'm sure, are criminals.

Yes, people flee war and persecution, but they also flee the police. If you are wanted for rape or murder or drug dealing, the quickest solution is to migrate to Europe, chuck your documents in the sea and claim to be a refugee. The activists who help these people never stop to consider the consequences. Take the case of Anicet Mayala, an illegal immigrant from the Congo. Activists fought against his deportation and won. And no doubt they felt all warm and smug and morally superior. Anicet Mayala is now in prison for raping a 15-year-old girl. I wonder if those activists feel any shame? Everywhere I look in my home town I see groups of young immigrant men wandering around. My neighbour no longer goes into town on her own because she's too scared.

They won't remain in those hotels. And we all know they won't be deported either (it seems virtually impossible to deport someone from this country). So that means we'll have to build more houses and flats for them. My local woods have been hacked down to make way for two new estates, and a second massive estate has been built at the other end of the village. Now we've been told the fields in the centre of the fields are going to be built on as well. Judging by the languages spoken on those estates, I'd guess the majority of people who've moved there were not born in this country. My village has been destroyed, and my quality of life massively diminished, to house people from Africa and the Middle East.

Some detail on the bountiful sustenance those cheeky asylum beggars get: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2v9x0919qvo.amp

And that’s happening in Manchester. Once an asylum seeker is granted asylum they have something like 48 hours to leave their hotel. There is often an encampment in Manchester City centre of rows of tiny tents. Then the council come and clear the tents up and they disappear and then a bit later they’re back and the whole thing repeats. I’m not sure what help if any they’re entitled to in the uk after they are granted asylum…..not sure why some end up in tents. But the locals are fed up with it.

I work in this field.
The majority of people claiming Asylum don't arrive by small boat, they travel here directly and claim Asylum either on arrival or when another visa expires. Stopping the small boat traffic won't make much actual difference to the number of Asylum claims needing to be processed or people needing support. It's the media-driven focus on small boats that is pulling the whole political system out of shape.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62x110p392o

I’m sure this group would welcome new hosts. https://refugeesathome.org/

No you're not in the same boat as everyone else are you. You are top of the list.

What happened in the 60s and 70s with windrush and Irish/ SE Asian immigration? We survived that didn’t we?

France is part of the EU. Doesn’t the ECHR apply there? Camps and accommodation centres for those not considered vulnerable. Same in Germany. Old people and children would be amongst those considered vulnerable.

There's only one winner with asylum seekers being housed in crappy hotels: the hotel owners and Serco.

Incidentally the guy who owns all the shithole Britannia hotels where a lot of the asylum seekers are being housed came to this country as a refugee himself (as a child from Nazi Austria).

As for asylum seekers being "illegal immigrants", they aren't. The fact they have an asylum claim being processed means the have a legal status in the UK. Illegal immigrants are those, for example, who are trafficked here to work or those who overstay visas. They aren't claiming asylum.

The argument about them "all" being young men is also stupid to me. Do you want infants crossing Europe in a truck? Equally you know who is more likely to secure a job (if they're granted asylum): young men. You know who is more likely to use state services, healthcare and thus cost the taxpayer money: children, old folk, and women with very small children.

As for the situation in general: if only the UK were part of some cross-European body that could easily negotiate better border controls and a cross-continent approach to asylum seekers. Oh yeah, that's right, we used to be. But nine years ago more than 50pc of those who voted decided said cross-European body was a waste of time.

It's a sad state of affairs for all those living in hotels. And it's a sad state of affairs for people living on the streets. It's possible to help both; it isn't mutually exclusive. That's why I pay tax AND donate to my local homeless charity. What doesn't help matters is dressing up in a giant flag, snorting a few lines and then going and starting a riot outside a holiday inn. And it doesn't help anyone's case that said "protests" are about the safety of women and girls when nearly half of those arrested have domestic violence convictions and never give a shit when women and girls are attacked in any other circumstances.

@ohdelay None of that takes away the right to claim asylum and go through the judicial process though. The post you are replying to is about the right to claim asylum. And anyone who arrives in the UK has the right to do so. How it is decided is another matter. Chatgpt isn't really the expert some think it is.

The people in tents in Calais haven’t claimed asylum in France. They are not treated the way AS would be.

And that will still have a massive impact on the private rental market. My Dd is a junior architect and her entire company is based on doing this. All they do is HMO conversions for asylum seekers. So someone buys a house, which in the past would have been a private rental, either a family home or possibly a student rental. Dd goes in and surveys it to see how many rooms can be crammed into the space while still keeping it legal (just). So what was previously a 3 or 4 bed house becomes an 8 bed house and that’s more rent for the landlord. Cheap stud walls are put up to make more bedrooms, a dining room/living room is converted into bedrooms.

So the area has less rental properties and what’s left the prices go up. Long term residents in the street suddenly find themselves next door to a house of young men from another country and they don’t like it.

A friend of mine has multiple private (family home) rentals in our town. When she advertises one she has 30 applications within a couple of days and then stops advertising before she is overwhelmed. People are desperate to be considered, they write her begging letters to be selected. And of course this means rental prices can just be ramped up.

Someone up thread asked for evidence regarding a statistic myself and another pp shared so just posting this link:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/26/two-in-five-arrested-for-last-summers-uk-riots-had-been-reported-for-domestic-abuse

Also to add - if these young men from Afghanistan share the same ideology at the Taliban, why the fuck are they risking their lives to escape them?

I think underlying this whole discussion there's a general misunderstanding of the nature of globalisation. The notion that we're somehow entirely self-sufficient, and that we could pull up the drawbridge and be A-OK is nonsense.

The reason the UK is seen as an attractive option for refugees is our historically strong economy, strong currency and good standard of living. We only have those things because we have a long history of exploiting cheap foreign labour.

I don't think it's reasonable to say "yes, we want skilled doctors that we haven't paid to train, yes we want care-workers to wipe our arses when we get old and our own compatriots won't touch us with a barge pole, yes we want cheap tech, yes we want cheap holidays in Thailand, but global difficulties? Not our problem, mate"

Due to you putting up a goady post and put up inane one liners, what did you expect would happen?

If you want to debate at least have some type of argument for or against, having done some research to find out what has actually been happening.

For example the reason in the main that men come is it is a difficult journey and costs thousands, so one ticket is achievable for a family.

The government is trying to deal with the issue but after brexit the situation is more difficult.

the tory government had 56000 immigrants in hotels in 2023 but no protests and that is a higher number than is now in hotels, the tory party weren't processing the immigrants purposely and this has made the situation worse

Whilst there will be some immigrants that are chancing their luck as economic migrants they should be processed and sent home - but this takes time to sift through.

Have you actually done any type of research about the subject other than right wing MSM?

This is quite clear. Hotels are for the very few. I didn’t specify tents.

https://asylumineurope.org/reports/country/france/reception-conditions/housing/conditions-reception-facilities/

They have arrived illegally though @Fitzcarraldo353 if they came on small boats

There is a legal route if they wanted to take it.

Often young men are most at risk. For example in certain African countries war lords sweep through villages, rounding fit young men up at gunpoint. They become cannon fodder.

Often a young husband or father will make the dangerous journey to claim asylum by himself. His family can join him, travelling safely in the traditional manner, if he is successful.