Illegal Immigrants In Hotels

[Goldengirl123]

What are your thoughts?

Do you understand what you’ve posted?

What has someone missing half their teeth got to do with the protests? Are you insinuating that they have lost them in a fight? Talk about stereotyping.

Are you actually for real? For a board that is strongly for women's rights this is some crazy cognitive dissonance. You wouldn't be allowed out the house without a man in Afghanistan. Let alone post your feelings on the Internet.

Have they claimed asylum there?

They're not illegal, if they were, we wouldn't be housing them.

That said, I love next door to one of these hotels. I watch these men going off to work, some getting picked up in contractor vans early doors and getting dropped off late, some work at a local factory, some all wait together for a mini bus to pick them up, some catch the busy at 5:50am. It's well known they are working, and that is very much illegal. Yet despite constant reporting, it never changes. Been like that for over five years now. Clearly there is an underground of employers waiting for them. I used to have my work office nearby and one day one of these men just walked into the building and into my office unannounced and asked if I could employ him. Aside from the fact he shouldn't have been in the building, let alone walking through a closed door without knocking, when I asked him if he had permission to work here he said no, but someone at the hotel had told him to ask around and if all else failed a factory would employ him down the road, but he didn't want to work in a factory.

This hotel is in a quiet sleepy village, which doesn't sit well when they roam the streets, big groups of young men, or they sit outside late at night shouting into their phones because a normal conversation is not something they are capable of. They have no manners, often barging past my teen son to get on a bus. I really resent my hard earned taxes paying for people who have no respect for our country beyond it offering them employment.

So that is what pisses me off. These men aren't here because they are running for their lives, they are here as economic migrants, and we have made it easy for them by allowing it to continue.

What makes me really angry is the lack of genuine support for people in this country.

We have a crisis where most people under 40 can't afford to own a home, and rent is sky high. We have a cost of living crisis, we have an NHS that is falling apart. It takes weeks to get NHS care, most of us don't get an NHS dentist.

Yet if you arrive here on a boat, not following legal channels, you get housed, clothed, fed and an NHS doctor and dentist on tap.

I do recognise that stopping illegal immigration will not solve all of our problems, nor do I think it is right to leave people to suffer. But I do understand a lot of the anger towards it.

'Clearing the asylum backlog' exactly how? Just as Reform are attacking what this government does, the previous government was constantly stopped by the supporters of illegal immigration.

I have no issue with people claiming asylum - if the shoe was on the other foot I would move heaven and earth to try and make a better life for myself/my family. However, the social housing issue IS being made worse by too many people. Once claims are accepted asylum seekers are classed as homeless and bumped up the list in front of everyone else waiting (unless they are also homeless). So the social housing issue is huge & unless you have waited years and years for a home I dont think people understand the absolute despair you feel knowing hundreds of people are always ahead of you. None of this is the fault of people claiming asylum- it is the fault of the government. People are directing their anger in the wrong places.

They were all coming in when the last government was in, how is it affecting you? People leave the country and people come in, a small minority of them are wrong Uns but same as every culture. Unfortunately Reform are trying to push the agenda and posting on every page causing ruptions all over and it's not just affecting immigrants it's affecting people of other races.

No, I respect his right to believe in whatever he wants. So I am in contact. I do think his views are batshit, hate inciting and repulsive, I can separate myself from his views.

Also the likes of Charlie Vietch care not helping by stirring up hatred.

I know I bang on about this on loads of immigration threads, but if I can just get one person to understand, it’s worth it!

The ‘Illegal’ thing refers to someone’s method of entry into the UK. It’s irrelevant whether or not they then go on to claim asylum. But if someone does claim asylum, then they’ve have a legal basis to be in the UK. Not all illegal entrants are asylum seekers. Not all asylum seekers are illegal entrants. Some are both illegal entrants AND asylum seekers.

Also Brexit fucked things up. If you’re bleating about immigration but voted Brexit, take a good look in the mirror Brexit didn’t fuck anything up. The figures for the number of people removed under the Dublin Convention are publically available. Have a look at them and compare them to the number of people we accepted under that arrangement. Brexit made sod all difference to immigration, other than making some migrants feel like they weren’t welcome anymore, and emboldening some idiots.

And for the love of God, if you’re going to talk about people being deported, please learn what it means. Failed asylum seekers are removed administratively. Unless other factors come into play, they are not deported. The two things are completely different and have completely different procedures and consequences.

I'm missing some teeth but I can assure you I haven't being rioting, Do you always pick on others ill health.

What is the purpose of our contribution to Foreign Aid (multi billions of £s annually)? That's a percentage of Gross National Income every year that we give to developing countries, along with many other countries who donate on a similar basis.

If it's not helping to improve the lives of potential asylum seekers and help them improve their own countries and live and contribute there, what is it used for?

I have often asked myself how do trafficked people afford to pay the traffickers for such a long, arduous and dangerous journey. It suggests to me that it's only those who can afford it that seek asylum. What about those who can't?

www.oecd.org/en/topics/sub-issues/oda-eligibility-and-conditions/dac-list-of-oda-recipients.html#oda-recipients-list

Why throw all your documents away is a conundrum the 50 000 this year. ???? I don't get that though.

Someone not following your own prejudice? Yea sure.

Brexit? Farrage ballsed up Brexit and yet people want to vote Reform? Crazy....

Before Brexit they could be sent back to the EU country they had from - ie they could automatically be sent back to France and they’d have to accept them.

funny how this isn’t on brexiteer’s radar…

but yes, the Brexit dividends keep piling on.

I'm not sure, but it's possible that they would not get a legitimate visa to move here, so go the asylum route instead. Without identities they can say they are from any country.

Before Brexit they could be sent back to the EU country they had from - ie they could automatically be sent back to France and they’d have to accept them.

funny how this isn’t on brexiteer’s radar…

but yes, the Brexit dividends keep piling on.

Or perhaps we should be allowed to remember our safety instincts when we decide who we let into our country.

I'm not in UK so maybe not understanding the process there, but surely if they ve been assessed and found not to have a legal claim to settle in UK they wouldn't still be housed after the legal process has finished would they? Or did you mean asylum seekers, seeking asylum isn't illegal, and if that's who you mean your annoyance would be better directed at the system that takes so bloody long to process claims and get people either out of the country or able to work and provide for themselves

@menopausalfart If so many of these men are asylum seekers, why are they disposing of their ID and travelling through safe countries?

My parents came over from Ireland as LEGAL economic migrants. Should I just rock up to any country I fancy illegally?. Sadly, people are super naive.

I believe in Humanity and am grateful every day that I am not living in a country that I need to flee. I would do the same in their shoes.

Ah, the usual diatribe if someone isn't toeing your party line!

I wonder how many are here because they are fleeing danger and how many are looking for an economic advantage? The simple facts are that we cannot indefinitely be the world's lifeboat, lifeboats sink when overloaded.