Illegal Immigrants In Hotels

[Goldengirl123]

What are your thoughts?

I’m not bashing Ukrainians as you well know. I’m calling out the hypocrisy and double standards at play here.

Sure, for much of GB they are.

so you would or you wouldn’t go to the nearest safe country? It’s not clear whether you’ve changed your mind on your idea you go straight to the nearest safe country and stay there….

And they all seem to be young men

All of them? Really?

I teach at a school near to a hotel where lots of asylum seekers are housed-we have large numbers of AS children attending.

The buildings are ‘hotels’, but repurposed to be little better than internment camps: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0xw3tNqhC3D876MHph4jRkX68BJvTiBm4wompbF6tPhpE1urTiExj9wy6b1cLauBel&id=549365711

Nobody can ever answer the question "why don't they stay in the first safe country" They don't stay there because we offer them more, end of. Personally I thought Rwanda would have been a good solution. I live in a small seaside town with a hotel housing all young men. They drop litter, pee in children's playgrounds, leer at young women and some have been arrested for worse (yes I know some British men do these things, why import more). They don't have to walk everywhere as someone upthread said as they are given bicycles.They all have mobile phones and obviously some money as they also use the buses.

You really need to stop reading the Daily Mail and listening to what Farage and his lot are saying.

There are also many homeless people being housed in some of these hotels so they could well end up back on the streets because of Farage. Man of the people?

These asylum seekers (they are NOT illegal immigrants) are not all young men. Haven't you seen how many families there are?

Please stop believing the shit that you're being brainwashed.

That’s brilliant, well done you.

Here’s a link where you can apply to host, volunteer and donate money. https://refugeesathome.org/

unfortunately we have a housing shortage in this country.

if you apply for social housing you are often told to look for private rental accommodation first, we live in a city, my uncle was asked to look at a private HMO - £1300 a month! He barely earns that much in his full time job!

Some Private landlords charge through the nose and the government have allowed this by not capping the amounts they can reasonably charge.

What’s your solution?

So family from a European first world country feels more comfortable housing European family from a neighbouring European first world country and feels less comfortable housing a single 24yr old male from Somalia that speaks Arabic only, comes from a less developed country on a different continent that has vastly different cultural norms and practices , and you think that's unusual?

Perhaps we should all ignore our safety instincts to be PC. Sure that'll help our sons, and moreso, daughters.

How is this physically possible? The AS coming here are generally coming from the same region. How can the first safe country take them all? How is that in any way fair?!

Probably exactly what the Palestinian people feel like then I guess, having their homes and infrastructure bombed the crap out of.

If this is true then you would know that once asylum applications are accepted (and the majority are as people are genuinely fleeing appalling circumstances) then applicants are given 7 days and kicked out onto the street - the failure to rapidly process applications (last government), and to provide effective resettlement (last government) means vulnerable people end up street homeless.

Is this country too brown for you now?

All these ‘arguments’ about refugees are a flimsy smoke screen for racism and bigotry.

Oh my dear, there's plenty of countries before you get to us. There's a whole unsafe channel in the way you know ?

Is your thought train that they're coming here out of respect for the fact they are concerned about putting up the numbers in all those other countries before they get to us ? I'll house them for free if that's the case : what a selfless sacrifice they'd be making....

It's yet another legacy failure of the Conservative Party to effectively govern the UK.

The last five Conservative PMs have been the most useless PMs of any party in my lifetime and I was born when Eden was in No 10.

It is a good excuse for racists to come out into the open. For wife beater and sex offenders to shout "protect our women and kids". And for people who never gave a toss about people sleeping rough to suddenly pretend they care about "our homeless"

In some ways if they make things harder for AS yes it may well bring the numbers down but it will also make life much , much harder for genuine AS which isn’t right. The focus is on stopping these people coming here but maybe that’s not the true issue ? The fact they are languishing in hotels and their paperwork not processed quickly. If there was a better system to assess and process applications and allow them to work quickly they wouldn’t need handouts. As people say a lot are fit young men - create jobs for them and give them a chance to work and contribute before judging them.

What do you do to help the homeless?

Do you do any volunteering? Do you work for Shelter? Do you work for the government? Do you donate to any charities? Foodbanks? Clothes banks? Soup kitchens? Do you get involved with your local authority? Do you actively engage with your councillors and Member of Parliament about homelessness?

Ukraine isn’t a neighbour to the UK though, if the “only in the first country” group genuinely believed “only in the first country” then they also wouldn’t support the UK having any Ukrainian refugees.

Everybody has the legal right to claim asylum if they are unsafe in their home country. Do you think that the Ukraine is the only unsafe country and only Ukrainians have the legal right to go somewhere safe?

As others have explained, getting from an unsafe country (many come from Syria) to the UK is a very dangerous and expensive process. Would you want to send your wife and children on a long and dangerous journey, at the mercy of people traffickers for sexual violence and crossing the sea on boats designed for nothing more substantial than a lake?

As PPs have explained, the young men are sent first and the women and children are brought over safely once the young men have confirmed their right to be here.

Bear in mind that the reason they want to come here and not stay in Greece, France or Italy is because we colonised most of the world and our language and culture is dominant almost everywhere. There's a good chance they know a bit of English and recognise some of our cultural references. If you were fleeing a warzone, would you not also want some familiarity? For that matter, the Ukrainian refugees could stay in Poland.

If they are found not to have a valid case for needing asylum in the UK, they are sent home.

This is such an ignorant and idiotic line which has been repeated numerous times on this thread and elsewhere by numerous people so this quote is just one example of many.

There is no way to get to the uk without passing through a safe country.

There is no legal way to claim uk asylum from outside the uk.

If the above was a valid argument then by definition the uk would have absolutely zero asylum seekers. None at all. When it is obvious (except to fascists, clearly) that each free and safe country in the world must, as a basic aspect of civilisation, take a PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE of the global population of refugees. And the number the uk has is pretty much in line with that - though pretty much by fluke because we opted out of the international agreements we used to have to ensure we could participate in redistribution if we got more than our fair share (just one more aspect of Brexit)

Governments from both the main parties in the UK depend on large numbers of asylum seekers coming here, & debate & conflict about them, because it distracts working class people from the widening inequality & increasing poverty & exploitation at home.

Inequality & poverty & exploitation that are supported by both parties because both parties are wholly owned by corporate interests.

Imagine if all those young men painting red crosses on things - young men who will now probably have to work till 70, without job security - started protesting about inequality, corruption, & corporate cronyism instead? It would be absolutely disastrous for the corporate predators masquerading as politicians.

It’s a con. Don’t fall for it.

I love the fact there’s so much compassion on this thread because it’s certainly not reflected across most mainstream media. All we ever seem to see are baying mobs of Reform voters.

No one is saying the situation is ideal. The process for claiming asylum is an absolute mess and in dire need of an overhaul.

Globally, countries have to work together. It’s part of democracy. That means we all need to work together to support people fleeing their home country. If they were granted asylum at the first country they reached, we’d take no one. We still only have a fraction compared to many other European countries.

Also Brexit fucked things up. If you’re bleating about immigration but voted Brexit, take a good look in the mirror.

We have many problems in this country that impact us all, and directly affect our quality of life. Asylum seekers are a tiny drop in the ocean but Farage and his pals, plus clickbait media, have managed to convince everyone that they are an ENORMOUS problem. The system needs sorting out for sure, but this hate is so disproportionate. We seem to have lost all sense of humanity.

As for the argument “you put them up in your home then”…. I don’t have space in my house but even if I did, it’s an argument that makes literally no sense. Because I don’t house an asylum seeker personally, I’m a hypocrite for caring about them? I’m sorry, what? 😂🤦🏻‍♀️ Presumably that goes for British homeless people, drug addicts, etc too? If you don’t house them then you shouldn’t have an opinion? I volunteered for years at a homeless shelter and the situation some people were in, and the life path that had taken them there, was truly heartbreaking. I didn’t personally house of the homeless people I met either. But I did what I could to try and support people that were really struggling in life.

We should be focusing on sorting the system out and working with Europe as a bloc, not threatening to burn down hotels.

I’m so grateful to hear so many informed, rationale voices on this thread.