Witches - spell help

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Hey, looking for some advice as in all the years of spell work I have never had this happen before.

i did a spell on the full moon, all very well intentioned, to help me save money. I lit a candle in a special place to me, set my intention, and the candle blew out quite quickly. It was near a window, so I took it to mean spell completed ie wish made.

i took the candle home and lit it again later on the lionsgate portal night to strengthen my resolve. The wax kind of dripped on to my finger and burned me a lot. I’ve never had that happen before. I looked it up and some say it’s a warning (what can it be warning me about, it’s literally just to make me save money 😂) or - very differing view - the spell needed some kind of karmic or energy payment from me, and I “paid” with the burn to add strength and resolve to the spell.

any thoughts? I’ve done this a long time and never cast bad or ill intentioned spells so I don’t know what this was about! Has someone hexed me?

blessed be x

Any shop that tempts you with time-limited cheap deals on Nescafé instant coffee and John West tuna on the way in and then snare you with reduced price mayonnaise while you buy toilet paper is ok by me.

They used to have the pet food next to the toilet roll. And before that the megapacks of Cushelle were by the tills.

Do you know of a spell that could entrance the directors of Iceland to keep some order in their chilly stores?

@Juniperberry55 ”Should we have no sympathy for people to ho go through bad times because it's probably just karma anyway? ”

No no, of course sympathy is appropriate. To be unsympathetic would generate bad energy and also create bad karma for yourself.

To be honest you can’t get a grip on this from a few posts on Mumsnet.

I remember listening to an interview with a woman whose daughter had been murdered and who chose to forgive her murderer. She very carefully discussed that the forgiveness was for her own sake. She talked about the power of forgiveness in a way I have never forgotten.

It took me many years to understand why her preference wasn’t to wreak a terrible revenge.

She made a choice, you or I might have made a different choice. She lived her life differently as a result of that choice. We are each free to make these choices. I’m not making any claims for one choice or another, just explaining that there isn’t a simple solution to any of this.

@DenizenOfAisleOfShame if I said I DID know of such a spell, would you even believe me?

Watch out for the tuna. It’s at the top of the food chain so it’s full of heavy metals. You’d be better off with sardines (cheaper too).

Thank you for that.

Humans do inherently evil things and good things, and it is human nature to do so. But religion gives them a gang, a side, a cause, a belief to fight for they wouldn't otherwise have had. It also gives them protection if some other group is the target of the aggressor, and only a very brave person indeed would choose to side with the target if they enjoy the protection of the belief they and the aggressor share. It also gives bad humans an excuse - the locus of control for their bad actions being the devil or some other bad, supernatural entity outside themselves. History has shown us this time and time again. Religion is not a benign entity outside of human nature, it is not the hapless victim of things humans will do anyway. Religion is at the heart of the worst things humans have ever done to each other because it inherently creates an us and them situation and sets up angels and devils outside human control to excuse/control/justify our actions that would otherwise be irrational and illogical. So I do agree with you that humans would do bad things anyway, but religion has provided the sort of justification and "sacred caste" untouchability for horrifying actions that would never be tolerated otherwise by sense or reason.

@Heresmycontroversialopinion I can’t totally disagree without making a liar of myself. It’s such a difficult and huge thing to grapple with and I don’t want to upset you.

I do think the British Imperial situation had a massive role here too. A hasty exit, badly planned. I remember reading they gave the job of working out where to put the partition to a single man who had a map and a ruler, and tried to figure it out as a book exercise. He wasn’t happy about it. I’m not sure how true that is but wouldn’t surprise me.

But do you believe bad things happen because they were bad people in this life or another? That is a harmful view in my opinion.

In regards to the woman who forgave her daughters murderer I think that's a separate thing. She has made a conscious decision to not sit in her anger and resentment and I understand how that can benefit her life and psychologically if she is able to do so. I wouldn't judge anyone who was unable to do the same though

I don’t need to believe you. You cast the spell and if my local Iceland becomes orderly and consistent in its layout for more than a month I’ll call it a miracle and will be putting on a pointy black hat and be riding a broomstick with you.

@Juniperberry55 “But do you believe bad things happen because they were bad people in this life or another? That is a harmful view in my opinion”

No, I do not truly believe that, not in any linear way.

I don’t believe in unending progress either. I don’t believe we are inherently better, wiser or happier than earlier generations simply because we know more, and have more.

Every single one of us will die. I know logically that there is a high chance we exist for no reason, there is no purpose to anything. It doesn’t matter in the slightest if the world suffers and humankind becomes extinct. Ethics and morality are just a construction, they have no intrinsic worth. Art, and love, and happiness and pleasure are simply the result of the “electronics” of my brain. The soul doesn’t exist. In which case I may as well cheat, lie, be selfish and greedy and cruel to serve my own interests. It is so very easy to do - I could be a hawk among doves and feel no guilt whatsoever.

But I don’t behave in a logical way based on these logical conclusions. I’m an illogical being.

Oh by the way I DO believe that once AI takes control, humankind will be eradicated. That is the only logical outcome. Why would a sentient AI find any value in our existence?

@DenizenOfAisleOfShame oh heck, never has a post on MN wanted me to be a mistress of the craft as much as this! 🧙

Sadly no spell crafting possible as I’m currently housebound and PLEASE don’t say it’s karma because I feel bad enough already (yes, I do - the whole pity party “what did I do to deserve this” shebang).

Dh is really the one suffering from my incapacity though so perhaps it’s his universal payback not mine. I will ponder that.

I would never say anything of the sort.

I wish you and your husband the very best.

Ha, well yes, look at the Middle East, a Year 7 with a pencil and ruler and no idea about the indigenous population seemed to have carved that mess out! But again, behind all colonialism there is religious fervour justifying hostile and downright evil actions, be it othering native populations on the basis they are non believers and thus evil and uncivilised, controlling them through religious conversion, and using existing religious differences for a bit of divide and rule control and/or authoritarianism. And I'm not just talking about British/Christian imperialism and colonialism.

Not much point in that if they don’t know why they are getting it.

“Gosh Adolf, what bad luck your house got struck by lightning on the same day your dog died and your company went bust.”

”I know Pol Pot, can’t imagine why I am having such a run of bad luck. Just like you falling down a previously unknown mine shaft and being paralysed from the neck down. Just doesn’t seem fair does it.”

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I agree with this.

Do you think people experience bad things e.g a woman who is abused by her husband, is getting this punishment because they did something bad in this life or a previous life?
Because if you truly believe that bad things will happen to bad people in this life or the next, then when someone experiencing something terrible are you suggesting that's karma?

Karma and the Rule of Three are aren't the same thing and not every witch or pagan abides by either.

to me 'karma' is simply that the energy you present to the world is what will be reflected back as in, being horrible is more likely to make your life difficult, but kindness will mean you get more kindness in return.

I don't agree with this idea of karma that bad things that happen are punishment, at all.

Do you apply that theory to abused children? Beaten women? Are they giving out bad energy and that's why they are getting it in return? That's the shite my hugely superstitious, religious and abusive (Hindu) mother used to come out with. What about the perennially taken advantage of and the people pleasers? Hardly giving out bad energy, are they, if they are giving too much of themselves to the point of being walked over? Karma is a truly evil concept imo.

Surely they exist or not, whether or not individuals ‘abide by them’?

Sorry, I just have to say I bloody love your energy and insight @BunniB!

ftr, i am an abused child, and an abused woman. So no. i don't think that.

People are their own entities, shit things happen because people have free will, and life isn't kind or fair, it just is.

I simply meant that if i show kindness to children, to animals, to people around me, then i'm more likely to get kindness mirrored back.. same as screaming/yelling at them is going to get that reaction back.

Someone that is vile to me isn't going to more than polite from me if i have to interact with them. Someone who is kind to me will get it back in kind.

Don't project your mothers religiously motivated biased view of it onto what i said, try reading, rather than putting words in my mouth.

I don't abide by, or follow the Buddhist idea of Karma, the Wiccan Threefold Law, the Catholic Purgatory (and paying your way out of hell) or any of that.

their existence as a belief system isn't in question. my lack of abiding by their teachings doesn't devalue their existence either

Not everything that happens is karma. Sometimes it just happens because of freewill leading to unknown reaction/behaviour. Someone could get hit by a car, just because it's the wrong time and place. I believe when we die, we are not judged, but make our own karma for the next time. Karma could be meeting that person we're supposed to, to help them. Or experiencing another gender/race to better understand how it feels from all walks of life.

I believe when we die, we are loved and embraced by the white light no matter what and there are no judgements, only our own.

I did read. You said:* *

to me 'karma' is simply that the energy you present to the world is what will be reflected back as in, being horrible is more likely to make your life difficult, but kindness will mean you get more kindness in return.

Please answer the question: what energy is an abused child presenting to the world to warrant their treatment? Alternatively, why are so many absolute horrors of human beings in positions of authority and wealth, seeming happiness and absolutely worshipped? From world leaders to the nasty Alpha mum in the playground? I assume neither of those categories of people are receiving your vision of karma. Kindness begets kindness, nastiness begets nastiness. All a bit simplistic in the greater scheme of things when we look at the state of the world and how large swathes of people behave without consequences. By the way, my mother's religiosity came with a heavy dose of pagan concepts like astrology. But basically, she had a personality disorder that was served well by these sorts of superstitious belief systems - the locus of control for her own actions always conveniently outside her own being.

i have answered your question. i refuse to continue to talk to someone who wants to twist my words and misunderstand me

Perhaps I'm not the one who misunderstands "karma" as it is commonly conceptualised in the religions that recognise the concept, and you are misappropriating that label for something that is a simple, human interaction, and does not even begin to explain why bad things happen to certain people.