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Ukraine Invasion: Part 58

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MagicFox · 10/08/2025 12:16

We’re all still here for Thread 58. Thanks to all regular contributors, especially those doing the daily hard work. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦

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ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 15/10/2025 11:09

Live: Ukraine Telegram Highlights

Russia attacked a humanitarian mission in the Kherson region.
In the morning, Russian forces deliberately targeted trucks belonging to the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) in the Bilozerska community, using drones and artillery.
One vehicle was completely destroyed by fire, another was seriously damaged. Two trucks managed to escape the attack, and no people were injured.

❗️Nearly 290,000 cases of unauthorized absence and desertion have been opened in Ukraine since the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion.
According to the Prosecutor General’s Office, between January 2022 and September 2025, 235,646 criminal proceedings were registered for unauthorized absence from a military unit, and 53,954 for desertion.

🛢️Russia’s fuel exports fell by 17% in September following drone attacks — down to 7.58 million tons, according to Reuters.
Shutdowns at several key refineries due to Ukrainian strikes reduced fuel exports and led to an increase in crude oil shipments. In particular:
🔴Fuel exports via Baltic ports fell by 15.4%, to 4.36 million tons;
🔴Through Black Sea and Azov ports — down 23.2%, to 2.52 million tons;
🔴In the Far East — down 1.5%, to 661,300 tons.
At the same time, deliveries from the northern ports of Murmansk and Arkhangelsk rose by 1.8%, reaching 30,200 tons.

🇷🇺🇰🇵Russia may have helped North Korea develop its new intercontinental ballistic missile, South Korea has said.
The Hwasong-20 ballistic missile was unveiled last week during a military parade in North Korea, where it was described as “the most powerful strategic nuclear weapon system.”
The design of the missile’s launcher differs from that of the previous Hwasong-19, first tested in October 2024.
This has fueled speculation that Pyongyang may have received Russian assistance in developing the new ballistic missile amid their increasingly close military cooperation.
The Chairman of South Korea’s Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Jin Yong-sun, confirmed that such a possibility “cannot be ruled out.”

blueshoes · 16/10/2025 04:49

Could the A-10 Warthog and APKWS II combination solve Ukraine’s Shahed problem? (https://www.kyivpost.com/post/62049)

Any thoughts on this @notimagain @MissConductUS ?

blueshoes · 16/10/2025 04:54

https://understandingwar.org/research/russia-ukraine/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-october-15-2025/

Key Takeaways

  1. The Kremlin remains committed to its rhetorical effort to dissuade the United States from selling Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine amidst critical policy debates.
  2. The Trump administration continues to voice support for additional military support for Ukraine ahead of the October 17 meeting between US President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.
  3. The Kremlin continues to advance its messaging strategy designed to separate the United States from Ukraine and Europe to undermine NATO cohesion and support for Ukraine.
  4. Dutch officials recently observed unidentified drones operating near a NATO military exercise in Poland that may have disrupted military-grade communication systems, marking the latest incident in a trend of drone incursions across Europe.
  5. Ukraine’s European partners announced new military assistance to Ukraine amid the October 15 Ukraine Defense Contact Group (the Ramstein Format) meeting.
  6. European officials report that UK sanctions and NATO joint military operations are inhibiting Russia’s illicit shadow fleet.
  7. Russian forces advanced in eastern Zaporizhia Oblast and near Pokrovsk and Velykomykhailivka.
MissConductUS · 16/10/2025 10:34

blueshoes · 16/10/2025 04:49

Could the A-10 Warthog and APKWS II combination solve Ukraine’s Shahed problem? (https://www.kyivpost.com/post/62049)

Any thoughts on this @notimagain @MissConductUS ?

I'd defer to notim on this, but will say that they do appear to have been effective in this role in the ME, particularly against the Houthis. And they're quite a bit faster than the helicopters the Ukrainians are currently using in a counter-drone role. Here's the original article in TWZ:

https://www.twz.com/air/a-10-warthog-appears-to-have-become-a-drone-killer

It's a bit distressing that the USAF is so obsessed with eliminating its most effective close air support aircraft, despite the fact that we keep finding new roles for it, and in the last decade, it has carried out far more combat missions than its multirole counterparts.

A-10 Warthog Appears To Have Become A Drone Killer

The laser-guided APKWS II rocket is an established surface-attack weapon for the A-10, which is now likely using a version of it for drone hunting. The laser-guided APKWS II rocket is an established surface-attack weapon for the A-10, which now appears...

https://www.twz.com/air/a-10-warthog-appears-to-have-become-a-drone-killer

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 16/10/2025 11:07

Kyiv Independent Telegram Highlights

⚡️ Evacuation zone expanded (kyivindependent.com/evacuation-zone-expanded-in-kharkiv-oblast-as-russian-forces-advance-near-kupiansk/) in Kharkiv Oblast as Russian forces advance near Kupiansk.
In total, 601 children from 409 families are to be relocated to safer areas.

⚡️Germany pledges (kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-update-2025-10-15/)over $2.3 billion in new military aid for Ukraine, including Patriot and IRIS-T air defense systems.
The package will also include precision-guided weapons and ammunition.

⚡️'They want to go offensive' — Trump to discuss Ukraine returning war to Russia (kyivindependent.com/they-want-to-go-offensive-trump-to-discuss-ukraine-returning-war-to-russia-during-meeting-with-zelensky/) during meeting with Zelensky.
U.S. President Donald Trump said he'd "make a determination" on Ukraine's desire to "go offensive" against Russia during his upcoming meeting with President Volodymyr Zelensky at the White House. The leaders will meet in Washington on Oct. 17.

⚡️India assures White House it will stop buying Russian oil (https://kyivindependent.com/india-assures-white-house-it-will-stop-buying-russian-oil-trump-says/), Trump says.
Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has assured U.S. President Donald Trump that India will no longer buy Russian oil, the U.S. leader said on Oct. 15.

⚡️ Update: Indian refiners reportedly brace for Russian oil cuts (https://kyivindependent.com/india-assures-white-house-it-will-stop-buying-russian-oil-trump-says/); New Delhi remains evasive.
After Trump claimed Modi assured him India would stop buying Russian oil, the Indian Foreign Ministry said its import policies are guided by the "interests of the Indian consumer.”
In the meantime, Reuters reported that some Indian refiners are already bracing for a gradual reduction of Russian imports.

⚡️Russian missiles (kyivindependent.com/russian-missiles-pound-ukrainian-cities-in-massive-morning-attack/) pound Ukrainian cities in massive morning attack.
Explosions have been reported in Kharkiv, Ilium, Kropyvnytskyi, and Poltava. Earlier, the Air Force issued a nationwide missile warning after Russia launched MiG-31 bombers.

⚡️ Update: Syria's al-Sharaa meets Putin (kyivindependent.com/syrias-al-sharaa-to-meet-putin-in-his-first-russia-visit/) during his first Russia visit.
During their meeting, Putin lauded the "friendly" relationship between Syria and Russia, while al-Sharaa said Damascus would respect all previously concluded agreements, TASS reported.

⚡️Finland, Lithuania join (kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-update-2025-10-15/) PURL initiative to arm Ukraine; new aid announced.
Lithuania plans to contribute $30 million toward procuring weapons for Ukraine. Finland, meanwhile, has announced a new military aid package, with full details expected to be released later this week.

⚡️Drones reportedly target (kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-update-2025-10-15/) Russian oil refinery in Ufa, more than 1,300 kilometers from Ukraine.
Russian authorities had earlier declared a drone threat in the region and implemented emergency measures at Ufa airport.

⚡️ Ukraine confirms drone strike on Russian oil refinery in Saratov (kyivindependent.com/drones-reportedly-attack-oil-refinery-in-russias-saratov-oblast-for-2nd-time-in-a-month/) Oblast, 2nd hit in a month.

⚡️Denmark allocates (kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-update-2025-10-15/) over $170 million for Ukraine's military support; Sweden weighs new aircraft supply.
Denmark has pledged $171 million in military aid to Ukraine, while Sweden is considering the delivery of additional aircraft.
The $171 million aid will be used to support Ukraine's navy, repair tanks, and provide education and training for Ukrainian military personnel, according to a statement from the Danish Defense Ministry published on Oct. 15.

⚡️ UK imposes 'strongest sanctions yet (kyivindependent.com/uk-imposes-strongest-sanctions-yet-on-russia/) ' on Russia, targets 2 oil giants.
The measures aim to choke off Russia's vital fossil fuel revenues that fund its war against Ukraine.

⚡️ Russian internet provider 'impoverished by 66 million rubles (kyivindependent.com/russian-internet-provider-impoverished-by-66-million-rubles-after-ukrainian-cyberattack-hur-source-claims/)' after Ukrainian cyberattack, HUR source claims.
HUR claims that Orion Telecom was actively used by Russian security services in operations related to Russia`s war in Ukraine.

⚡️Odesa mayor is a Russian citizen but passport published by Ukrainian intelligence is fake (kyivindependent.com/odesa-mayor-is-a-russian-citizen-but-passport-published-by-ukrainian-intelligence-is-fake-journalists-claim/), journalists claim.
Databases confirm that Odesa Mayor Hennady Trukhanov is a Russian citizen but his alleged Russian passport published by Ukraine's Security Service (SBU) is fake, the Insider, a Russian investigative journalism outlet, claimed on Oct. 15.
Based on Trukhanov's Russian citizenship, President Volodymyr Zelensky stripped him of his Ukrainian citizenship on Oct. 14.

Ukrainians brace for another harsh winter as blackout fears return (kyivindependent.com/well-survive-i-just-want-ukraine-to-be-free-ukrainians-prepare-for-another-harsh-winter-amid-blackout-concerns/)
The Kyiv Independent spoke with Kyiv residents about how they endured the first blackout after a long pause and how they are now preparing for winter, as fears grow over renewed Russian attacks on Ukraine’s energy infrastructure.

⚡️Ukraine's language ombudsman calls for Russian to be stripped from list (kyivindependent.com/ukraines-top-language-official-calls-for-russian-to-be-stripped-from-protected-minority-languages/) of protected 'minority' languages over mistranslation.
If adopted by parliament, the updated list would include Belarusian, Bulgarian, Gagauz, Crimean Tatar, Modern Greek, German, Polish, Romanian, Slovak, Hungarian, Czech, and Hebrew

⚡️Exclusive: 1,076 Cubans (kyivindependent.com/exclusive-1-076-cubans-identified-fighting-for-russia-ukraine-says-96-dead-or-disappeared/)identified fighting for Russia, Ukraine says, 96 dead or disappeared
At least 1,076 Cuban nationals have fought or are fighting for Russia in Ukraine, Ukraine's military intelligence (HUR) told the Kyiv Independent on Oct. 15.

⚡️ Italian Supreme Court overturns extradition (kyivindependent.com/italian-supreme-court-overturns-extradition-of-ukrainian-in-nord-stream-sabotage-case/) of Ukrainian in Nord Stream sabotage case.
The ruling sends the case back to a new panel of judges at the Bologna Court of Appeal for review.

⚡️Kidnapped mayor from Zaporizhzhia Oblast dies (kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-update-2025-10-15/) from multiple injuries, Prosecutor General says.
The mayor of Dniproudne in Zaporizhzhia Oblast, Yevhenii Matvieiev, who was abducted by Russian military personnel, died in a Russian prison from multiple injuries, the Ukrainian media outlet Liga.net reported on Oct. 15, citing the Prosecutor General's Office.
The cause of death was determined to be blunt force trauma to the torso, resulting in multiple rib fractures and damage to the lungs and pleura, the Prosecutor General's Office said.

⚡️18 year-old Russian singer detained by St. Petersburg police (kyivindependent.com/18-year-old-russian-singer-detained-by-st-petersburg-police-for-performing-anti-putin-song/) for performing anti-Putin song.
Eighteen-year-old singer Diana Loginova, also known by her stage name Naoko, has been detained by police in St. Petersburg after performing a famous protest song that calls for Russian President Vladimir Putin to be overthrown, local media reported Oct. 15.

Ragnar Bjartur Gudmundsson 🇺🇦
‪@ragnarbjartur.bsky.social‬
⚡️ WAR IN UKRAINE & RUSSIA — OCT 16, 2025
■ Engagements and casualties below average
■ 7th-highest drone losses; losses of land-based systems well above average
■ Overnight attacks: major wave including 37 missiles, 81% intercepted
■ Strike ratio below average but still in double digits

Ukraine Invasion: Part 58
ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 16/10/2025 11:08

sigh. no idea why it got hidden this time

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 16/10/2025 11:17

UNITED24 Media Telegram Highlights

🇪🇺 The EU has presented a plan to prepare for a potential war with Russia by 2030, Bloomberg reports.
The plan includes defense reforms to support joint production of weapons and drones. The EU also aims to spend 40% of its total defense procurement by 2027—double the previous level.
The initiative is expected to launch in 2026.

❗️After the Ramstein meeting, NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte said that 19 countries are ready to provide new military aid to Ukraine.
“We had 19 countries that spoke out, and all of them announced supplies for Ukraine — within the PURL framework and other initiatives, but also in many cases on a bilateral basis,” Rutte noted.
He emphasized that NATO considers support for Ukraine its top priority and that allies must strengthen the country with weapons to resist Russian aggression. [yesterday it was said that military aid for Ukraine is currently at a very low level]

Ukraine has intelligence on the Russian Federation’s plans to further use Belarusian territory for military purposes. We will alert partners who could be at risk, President Zelenskyy said after meeting with the head of the Foreign Intelligence Service, Oleh Ivashchenko.

🇺🇳 Most NATO members have joined the PURL initiative, which provides U.S.-made weapons for Ukraine, while those still on the sidelines are under growing pressure, Politico reports.
According to NATO officials, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Canada, Germany, and the Netherlands have pledged $2 billion across four PURL packages. On Wednesday, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovenia, and Finland were prepared to agree on a fifth package.
This level of support, the publication notes, leaves non-contributors such as Britain and France in an increasingly difficult position.

Britain and Canada plan to join an EU initiative to use part of Russia's frozen assets, estimated at $300 billion, Bloomberg reports.
Western officials said the partners are close to an agreement to provide loans to Ukraine through a mechanism that avoids full seizure of the assets. The funds will be used to buy weapons, including American-made arms, and to support Ukraine’s economy.

❗️Pete Hegseth warns Russia of consequences if there’s no progress toward peace in Ukraine

The 100-year partnership agreement between Ukraine and Britain has officially entered into force, Speaker of the Rada Stefanchuk announced after completing the necessary procedures in London.
He emphasized that Ukraine and Britain already have long-standing, deep cooperation, and the agreement strengthens this partnership rather than initiating it.

🤝 Ukraine and Northern European countries have launched the Scandinavian-Baltic Initiative to train and equip the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
On the sidelines of the 31st UDCG meeting, Defense Minister Denys Shmyhal and his Norwegian counterpart Tore Sandvik signed a Memorandum of Understanding.
The initiative brings together Ukraine and nine Nordic and Baltic countries: Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Iceland, Latvia, Lithuania, Norway, Poland, and Sweden.
Implemented within the framework of Operation Legion, the initiative provides for:
▫️ training of partners by Ukrainian military instructors;
▫️ equipping units with brigade-level weaponry;
▫️ training on Polish territory;
▫️ strengthening defense cooperation with the region.

The British and German defense ministers said at a press conference at NATO headquarters that Ukraine is a “contributor” to European security and deserves a place in the Alliance.
“There is growing recognition of Ukraine’s importance and its role in training NATO military personnel,” said British Defense Minister John Healy.

The Russians are no longer even hiding their war crimes—they released a video showing a drone strike on UN humanitarian trucks in the Kherson region. https://t.me/United24media/36310

Russia launched over 300 drones and 37 missiles at Ukraine overnight, Zelenskyy said.
Infrastructure in the Vinnytsia, Sumy, and Poltava regions was targeted. In the Chernihiv region, Nizhyn was hit, injuring one person. Critical infrastructure and parts of the State Emergency Service were struck in the Kharkiv region, with several injuries reported.

🇫🇮 Finland has built 50,000 bunkers—enough to shelter nearly the entire population, Bild reports.
After the Winter War of 1939–1940, the country continued building shelters and now has about 50,500, capable of accommodating 4.8 million of Finland’s 5.5 million residents.
For comparison, Germany has only around 480,000 shelters—one for every 174 people.
Located 20 meters underground, many Finnish bunkers are fully equipped. One in Helsinki even includes a gym, playground, hockey arena, and parking lot.
What’s missing, according to caretaker Tomi Raski, are food stores—since each resident must bring their own 72-hour supply of food, a flashlight, sleeping bag, camping mat, books, paper, and a pen.
“Down here, it’s really all about survival,” Raski said.

The UK has imposed sanctions on Lukoil, Rosneft, several Russian banks, 51 tankers of the “shadow fleet,” and oil refineries in India and the UAE.
In total, 35 companies and five individuals have been hit by restrictions. This includes India’s Nayara Energy, partly owned by Rosneft, and China’s National Pipeline Group Beihai LNG, which received gas from the sanctioned Russian project Arctic LNG-2.
Rosneft’s foreign partners—Novus Energy DMCC, Wissol Commodities FZCO, and Alghaf Marine DMCC in the UAE—have also been sanctioned for transporting and trading Russian oil.
Several Russian banks and technology companies were added to the sanctions list, including the National Payment Card System (NPK), BBR Bank, Solid Bank, Transstroybank, and Primsotsbank.
Sanctions also target Russian and foreign companies supplying components and equipment for weapons production: NPK Progress, Pergam-Engineering, Electra Pro, Charteris DV, Maxcomm, Absolute Trade, Lmsystems, ARS Global, INOI International, LMM Electronics (UAE), S-Mikron Elektronik (Türkiye), ALT Capital (Singapore), and China Thai Corporation Group (Thailand).
The UK also sanctioned several Chinese and Hong Kong firms, particularly in the energy sector.

UNITED24Media

The Russians are no longer even hiding their war crimes—they released a video showing a drone strike on UN humanitarian trucks in the Kherson region.

https://t.me/United24media/36310

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 16/10/2025 11:24

Kyiv Post Telegram Highlights

Ukrainian Defense Minister hinted that decisions on the US Tomahawk cruise missiles will be announced by Zelensky and Trump (www.kyivpost.com/post/62171) following their meeting slated for Friday.

Serbia at crossroads: (www.kyivpost.com/post/62173) US senators lay out stark dilemma as sanctions hit Russian-owned oil firm.

Swedish forces detected a Russian submarine in the Baltic Sea on October 14. Fighter jets identified and escorted it, the Swedish Air Force reported.

Over half of NATO members have pledged to support the alliance’s Prioritized Ukraine Requirements List initiative, (www.kyivpost.com/post/62152) aimed at purchasing U.S. weapons for Ukraine, NATO chief Mark Rutte said.

FPV drones, interceptor drones and missiles, and deep-strike capabilities — these are the government’s key defense priorities, Defense Minister Denys Shmyhal said in response to a question from Kyiv Post correspondent Kateryna Zakharchenko in Brussels.

After Russia’s massive strike on Friday, two Kyiv thermal power plants were completely shut down, MP Kucherenko said.

One of Siberia’s largest internet providers, Orion Telecom, lost over $700,000 after a Ukrainian intelligence cyberattack, admitting data leaks and filing a complaint with Russian police, Kyiv Post sources in the intelligence said.
The company now faces an additional fine under Russian law.

Inside Ukraine’s Largest Trauma Hospital: Since 2014, Ukraine’s largest trauma hospital in Dnipro has treated over 50,000 soldiers and civilians. Here, doctors battle severe injuries, saving lives and limbs every day.
https://www.kyivpost.com/videos/62161

Kyiv Post is taking part as a partner of the 11th Kyiv International Economic Forum, which opened today.
Held under the theme Ukraine 2.0: The Power of People, the event gathers over 1,000 business leaders, officials, and investors for 15 panel discussions on the future of Ukraine’s economy, industry, and energy amid the war.

Inside Ukraine’s Largest Trauma Hospital: Saving Lives on the Front Line

Since 2014, Ukraine’s largest trauma hospital in Dnipro has treated over 50,000 soldiers and civilians. Here, doctors battle severe injuries, saving lives and limbs every day.

https://www.kyivpost.com/videos/62161

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 16/10/2025 11:28

Live: Ukraine Telegram Highlights

Hundreds of millions of dollars and interceptor drones — Ukraine’s defense minister outlined the results of the 31st Ramstein meeting.
🔴New contributions to the PURL initiative totaling at least $422 million — over half of NATO member states have already contributed or pledged funds.
🔴New commitments for purchases from Ukraine’s defense industry worth $715 million:
🇳🇴 Norway — $600 million for UAVs, electronic warfare systems, and explosives;
🇳🇱 Netherlands — $106 million for strike and reconnaissance drones;
🇨🇦 Canada — $8 million for interceptor drones;
🇮🇸 Iceland — $4 million under the “Danish model.”
🔴Military assistance:
🇸🇪 Sweden — $8 billion in security aid for 2026–2027;
🇨🇿 Czech Republic — a new $72 million package;
🇨🇦 Canada — $20 million for winter gear and missile components;
🇵🇹 Portugal — $12 million to the UK-led IFU arms procurement fund for Ukraine;
🇫🇮 Finland — preparing its 13th military aid package.

🇳🇱 The Netherlands will allocate €90 million for drone production in Ukraine.
Defense Minister Ruben Brekelmans explained the decision as a response to Russia’s attacks on Ukraine’s energy infrastructure.
He added that the Netherlands will support providing Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine if the United States decides to move forward with the transfer.
A few days ago, the Netherlands announced a €200 million aid package to help Ukraine counter drone attacks.

❗️Over the past week, Russian forces have attacked Ukraine’s gas infrastructure three times.
Critical facilities in the Kharkiv, Sumy, and Chernihiv regions were targeted. One of Naftogaz Group’s thermal power plants also came under attack last night.

🇳🇴 Norway has unveiled its draft defense budget for 2026, aiming to increase military spending and extend support for Ukraine
The government proposes to continue its extraordinary aid to Ukraine under the Nansen program from 2025. The total package for 2026 will amount to approximately $8.4 billion, including around $6.9 billion in military assistance.
Excluding support for Ukraine, Norway’s defense budget will reach about $11.1 billion, or 3.5% of GDP — up from roughly $6.5 billion in 2021.

🇩🇪 Germany will provide Ukraine with a new military aid package worth over €2 billion, Defense Minister Boris Pistorius announced.
At the Ramstein-format meeting, he said the package will include:
🔴Air defense systems, including Patriot;
🔴Radar complexes;
🔴Artillery systems with precision munitions;
🔴Missiles;
🔴Ammunition.
Germany will also supply two additional IRIS-T air defense systems with guided missiles, man-portable air defense systems, anti-tank weapons, modern communication equipment, and small arms.

🇸🇾 Syria will uphold its previous agreements with Russia, the country’s president said during his first meeting with Vladimir Putin.
This means that the two main Russian military bases in Syria are not under threat.
“Bilateral relations and shared interests exist between us and Russia, and we respect all agreements concluded with it. We are working to redefine the nature of our relationship with Russia,” said Syrian President Ahmed al-Sharaa.
A Syrian source told Reuters that Damascus seeks guarantees that Russia will not assist in rearming remnants of Assad’s forces. The same source added that al-Sharaa hopes Moscow will help rebuild the Syrian army.
Reuters also reports that al-Sharaa wants to negotiate economic assistance — to restore wheat supplies on favorable terms and obtain compensation for war-related damage. He also plans to ask Moscow for support in resisting Israel’s demands to expand the demilitarized zone in the country’s south.
According to two Syrian sources, al-Sharaa also intended to formally request Moscow to hand over Bashar al-Assad during the talks.

notimagain · 16/10/2025 11:36

MissConductUS · 16/10/2025 10:34

I'd defer to notim on this, but will say that they do appear to have been effective in this role in the ME, particularly against the Houthis. And they're quite a bit faster than the helicopters the Ukrainians are currently using in a counter-drone role. Here's the original article in TWZ:

https://www.twz.com/air/a-10-warthog-appears-to-have-become-a-drone-killer

It's a bit distressing that the USAF is so obsessed with eliminating its most effective close air support aircraft, despite the fact that we keep finding new roles for it, and in the last decade, it has carried out far more combat missions than its multirole counterparts.

Sensible use of the airframe,.. there's no need for great speed, what's needed is a stable platform which can carry sensors, ordnance and have a decent loiter time.

The Ukrainians have apparently re-roled some of their attack helicopters into drone killers for much the same reason.

MissConductUS · 16/10/2025 13:22

notimagain · 16/10/2025 11:36

Sensible use of the airframe,.. there's no need for great speed, what's needed is a stable platform which can carry sensors, ordnance and have a decent loiter time.

The Ukrainians have apparently re-roled some of their attack helicopters into drone killers for much the same reason.

To put the speed issue in context, the A-10 has a top speed with a full combat load is about 430 mph, which is far less than a multirole fighter. But it's more than double the speed of an attack helicopter. Speed is important even in an anti-drone role, as it allows the aircraft to rapidly deploy to the combat zone, reposition and evade threats more effectively.

The USAF keeps trying to kill it to free up money for F-35, and the military vets in Congress keep putting it back in the budget. I think the only long term solution to this tug of war is to turn the A-10 program over to the US Army and let them run and manage it. For the history buffs out there, I'd point out that the USAF started out as the US Army Air Corps and wasn't made a separate service until the 1950s. Back in the 1970s and 1980, most of the general officers in the USAF were West Point graduates.

blueshoes · 16/10/2025 18:55

@MissConductUS and @notimagain , so great to have your perspectives on the drone-killing capabilities of the A10 warthog.

Its mid-speed and carpet-spraying capabilities (and noisy footprint?) seem a great match for the slower swarms of Shaheds in line with the way that the battlefield is evolving. Any programme in the US to keep them in the air, like turning them over to US Army or the US vets 😁would get my vote.

Not that it is up to me of course, but isn't she a beaut. ❤❤❤

blueshoes · 16/10/2025 22:06

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 14/10/2025 10:55

Interesting. I wonder if this is about Tomahawks? Trump wanted to speak with Putin before okaying the Tomahawks to Ukraine, and Putin will no doubt be able to change Trump's mind. It might depend on timing. I wonder if Zelensky will be the last one to speak to Trump?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-10-16/trump-putin-call-reframes-tomorrow-s-zelenskiy-white-house-visit

Apparently the call between Trump and Putin has already taken place today with a view to the two meeting in Hungary on a date to be announced. Tomorrow Zelensky is supposed to meet with Trump in the White House.

I got a sinking feeling about tomorrow's meeting at the White House. I hope to be proven wrong.

Igotjelly · 16/10/2025 22:07

blueshoes · 16/10/2025 22:06

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2025-10-16/trump-putin-call-reframes-tomorrow-s-zelenskiy-white-house-visit

Apparently the call between Trump and Putin has already taken place today with a view to the two meeting in Hungary on a date to be announced. Tomorrow Zelensky is supposed to meet with Trump in the White House.

I got a sinking feeling about tomorrow's meeting at the White House. I hope to be proven wrong.

I’m fairly certain we can write off the idea that they might give Tomahawks unfortunately. Wonder what the two twats wittered about for nearly 2.5hours.

DuncinToffee · 16/10/2025 22:10

H said this during his press conference

Trump on giving Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine: "We need Tomahawks for the United States...We can't deplete for our country...We need them too, so I don't know what we can do about that."

https://bsky.app/profile/thebulwark.com/post/3m3dnzaay572n

blueshoes · 16/10/2025 22:35

Right on cue. I feel so bad for Zelensky tomorrow.

Natsku · 17/10/2025 06:23

Oh fuck, of course Trump backtracks

DdraigGoch · 17/10/2025 10:23

Natsku · 17/10/2025 06:23

Oh fuck, of course Trump backtracks

TACO

PerkingFaintly · 17/10/2025 10:31

Buuut, Zelensky gets to be the person who talks to Trump last. (Until the supposed meeting in Hungary, date TBA.)

And as we know, that's the person who matters.

DuncinToffee · 17/10/2025 10:38

Trump bows to Putin, he ridicules Zelenskyy

Alaska red carpet treatment vs White House suit question.

Last time they met, Zelenskyy had the back up from other leaders,

Igotjelly · 17/10/2025 10:49

I do actually worry we’re on for another showdown like Feb.

Natsku · 17/10/2025 10:59

PerkingFaintly · 17/10/2025 10:31

Buuut, Zelensky gets to be the person who talks to Trump last. (Until the supposed meeting in Hungary, date TBA.)

And as we know, that's the person who matters.

That's true, he is very easily influenced by whoever he spoke to last. Hopefully that's enough.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 17/10/2025 13:04

Idiot Trump thinks he can handle that octopoid poisoner Putin :/

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 17/10/2025 13:12

Kyiv Independent Telegram Highlights

⚡️ Trump, Putin to meet in Budapest (kyivindependent.com/trump-putin-hold-phone-call-ahead-of-zelensky-visit-to-washington/) for new Ukraine peace push.
The announcement followed a phone call between the two leaders, during which they also agreed to hold a high-level U.S.-Russia meeting next week.

⚡️'We need them too' — Trump hesitant (kyivindependent.com/we-need-them-too-trump-hesitant-on-providing-tomahawk-missiles-to-ukraine-following-call-with-putin-ahead-of-talks-with-zelensky/) on providing Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine following call with Putin, ahead of talks with Zelensky.
U.S. President Donald Trump appeared noncommittal on providing Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine on Oct. 16, just hours before he is set to meet with President Volodymyr Zelensky in Washington.

⚡️Zelensky arrives (kyivindependent.com/zelensky-arrives-in-washington-ahead-of-talks-with-trump/) in Washington ahead of talks with Trump.
President Volodymyr Zelensky arrived in Washington on Oct. 16 ahead of talks with U.S. President Donald Trump scheduled for the following day.

⚡️ Trump, Putin hold phone call (https://kyivindependent.com/trump-putin-hold-phone-call-ahead-of-zelensky-visit-to-washington/) ahead of Zelensky visit to Washington.
The call marks the first direct contact between the two leaders in nearly two months and comes amid heightened tensions over the stalled peace talks.

⚡️ Zelensky holds talks (kyivindependent.com/zelensky-arrives-in-washington-ahead-of-talks-with-trump/) with US energy secretary, defense companies.
Zelensky on Oct. 17 met with U.S. Energy Secretary Chris Wright, as well as representatives of energy companies and the Raytheon and Lockheed Martin arms manufacturers, ahead of the upcoming talks with Trump in Washington.

⚡️ Russia, Ukraine not ready for peace deal (kyivindependent.com/russia-ukraine-not-ready-for-peace-deal-vance-says-amid-zelensky-visit/), Vance says ahead of Zelensky-Trump meeting.
According to Vance, there is "fundamental misalignment of expectations, where the Russians tend to think that they're doing better on the battlefield than they actually are."

⚡️ Update: Orban hails Trump-Putin planned meeting (kyivindependent.com/trump-putin-hold-phone-call-ahead-of-zelensky-visit-to-washington/) as ‘great news,’ says Hungary ‘ready’ to host.
In April, Hungary's parliament voted to approve the country's withdrawal from the International Criminal Court (ICC), potentially allowing Putin to visit the country.

⚡️ Orban calls with Putin (kyivindependent.com/orban-calls-with-putin-ahead-of-trump-summit-in-budapest/) ahead of Trump summit in Budapest.
The phone call follows an announcement that in the coming weeks, Budapest will host a meeting between Putin and Trump as part of efforts to end the Russia-Ukraine war.

⚡️Ukraine has liberated (kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-update-2025-10-16/) over 180 square kilometers in Pokrovsk sector of Donetsk Oblast since August, General Staff says.
Ukrainian forces have reclaimed 182.8 square kilometers (70 square miles) of territory in the Pokrovsk sector of Donetsk Oblast since late August, according to a report by the General Staff published on Oct. 16.
Ukrainian forces also cleared 230.1 square kilometers (88.8 square miles) of Russian sabotage groups from the area.

⚡️Russian missile strikes (kyivindependent.com/russia-strikes-another-ukrainian-army-training-center-with-ballistic-missiles-in-morning-attack/) Ukrainian training ground, casualties reported, military says.
Another Ukrainian military training ground was hit by a Russian missile strike on Oct. 16, wounding troops.

⚡️ Update: Indian Foreign Ministry says 'not aware (kyivindependent.com/india-assures-white-house-it-will-stop-buying-russian-oil-trump-says/)' of Trump-Modi call on stopping Russian oil purchases.
"To the best of our knowledge, I am not aware of any conversation between Prime Minister Modi and President Trump yesterday," Indian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Randhir Jaiswal said.

⚡️North Korean troops helping (kyivindependent.com/russia-now-using-north-korean-troops-to-attack-inside-of-ukraine-general-staff/) to direct Russian strikes into Ukraine, General Staff says.
Ukraine's General Staff has released a recording of what it says are North Korean soldiers guiding strikes into Ukraine's Sumy Oblast.
Ukraine war latest: First footage of North Korean troops reportedly directing fire into Sumy Oblast released
(https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-update-2025-10-16/)

⚡️Explosions reported (kyivindependent.com/explosions-reported-in-occupied-donetsk-russias-sochi-amid-drone-attacks/) in occupied Donetsk, Russia's Sochi amid drone attacks.
Explosions have been reported in occupied Donetsk and the Russian city of Sochi amid alleged drone attacks overnight on Oct. 17.

⚡️Update: Russia 'shoots down own fighter jet' (kyivindependent.com/explosions-reported-in-occupied-donetsk-russias-sochi-amid-drone-attacks/) during Ukrainian drone attack on Crimea, Sochi.
Russia shot down its own military aircraft over Crimea while its air defense was trying to intercept Ukrainian drones flying to the occupied peninsula and deep inside Russia overnight, Dmytro Pletenchuk, a spokesperson for the Ukrainian Navy, said on Oct. 17.

⚡️ Belarus seeks to engage EU countries to break isolation (kyivindependent.com/belarus-seeks-to-engage-eu-countries-to-break-isolation-reuters-reports/), Reuters reports.
A senior Belarusian diplomat told a European official that Belarus could be involved in the Russia-Ukraine peace efforts and play a role in discussions on European security, Reuters reported.

Kyiv Independent to present (kyivindependent.com/kyiv-independent-to-present-documentary-exposing-russias-militarization-of-ukrainian-children/) documentary exposing Russia’s militarization of Ukrainian children
The Kyiv Independent’s War Crimes Investigation Unit has completed a new investigation into the treatment of Ukrainian children in the Russian-occupied territories. The film uncovers a disturbing strategy: the systematic indoctrination of children to serve as future soldiers in Russian President Vladimir Putin’s regime.
The film will premiere on Oct. 23 on The Kyiv Independent’s YouTube channel. It will also be screened in Ukrainian at Zhovten Cinema in Kyiv on the same day.

⚡️ Putin lectured Trump (kyivindependent.com/putin-lectured-trump-on-kyivan-rus-during-alaska-summit-ft-reports/) on Kyivan Rus during Alaska summit, FT reports.
Putin reportedly gave a lengthy lecture on medieval Rus princes, such as Rurik or Yaroslav the Wise, as well as the 17th-century Cossack leader Bohdan Khmelnytskyi, taking Trump aback.

From billboards to Telegram: How political advertising flourishes in wartime Ukraine (kyivindependent.com/in-wartime-ukraine-political-messaging-resurfaces/)
Despite no elections on the horizon, political advertising is gradually ramping up in wartime Ukraine. “The real question is what message these political forces are sending, and what their strategy is,” Viktoria Maksymova, an analyst with the political watchdog Chesno, told the Kyiv Independent.

From billboards to Telegram: How political advertising flourishes in wartime Ukraine (kyivindependent.com/in-wartime-ukraine-political-messaging-resurfaces/)
Despite no elections on the horizon, political advertising is gradually ramping up in wartime Ukraine. “The real question is what message these political forces are sending, and what their strategy is,” Viktoria Maksymova, an analyst with the political watchdog Chesno, told the Kyiv Independent.

⚡️Chernihiv renames one of its squares (kyivindependent.com/fairy-tale-square-in-chernihiv-to-be-renamed-after-trump/) after Donald Trump.
The decision to rename Fairy Tale Square was made “in order to honor prominent political leaders of modern times, as well as to draw international attention to the reconstruction of the hero city of Chernihiv," according to the explanatory note. [wonder if the city's changed its mind after today's pathetic show]

Ragnar Bjartur Gudmundsson 🇺🇦
‪@ragnarbjartur.bsky.social‬
⚡️ WAR IN UKRAINE & RUSSIA — OCT 17, 2025
■ Engagements below average, with considerably fewer casualties
■ 2nd-highest drone losses; unusually few unarmored vehicle losses
■ Overnight attacks: double-digit, only drones, interception rate could be better
Most 🇺🇦 strikes since the middle of July, double-digit strike ratio

Ukraine Invasion: Part 58
ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 17/10/2025 13:20

UNITED24 Media Telegram Highlights

India has denied that Prime Minister Modi spoke with Donald Trump about Russian oil, Bloomberg reported.
Earlier, President Trump stated that the Indian leader had promised to stop buying oil from Russia.

🇭🇺 Hungary has made it clear that Putin may not face arrest under the International Criminal Court warrant when he arrives in Budapest for a summit with Trump.

Some Indian refineries are preparing to reduce imports of Russian oil following Trump’s statements, Reuters reports.
According to the agency’s sources, the U.S. is pressuring New Delhi to abandon Russian oil to help accelerate the end of the war in Ukraine.
However, sources note that it will be difficult for India to immediately halt purchases, as a sudden switch to other grades of oil could drive up global prices and worsen inflation.

🕸 The Russian FSB allegedly claimed a “British connection” to Operation Spiderweb, but the SBU denied it.
According to the FSB, the operation was supposedly carried out under the supervision of foreign partners and did not cause significant damage to Russian troops.

😡 For the second time this fall, elite FSB special forces and Russian Marines are being transferred to Mariupol, reported Petro Andriuschenko, head of the Center for the Study of Occupation.
The new group arrived from occupied Crimea and settled on the grounds of the Ilyich Metallurgical Plant. Their goal is replenishment and coordination.
Such movements were first recorded in September, when the Marines’ permanent deployment base in the village of Urzuf (the former “Kvant” boarding house) was struck before their transfer.

Russia launched the largest number of Iskander-M ballistic missiles at Ukraine since the start of the full-scale invasion last night, reportedly using upgraded versions — none were intercepted, The Insider reported.
A total of 26 Iskanders were used in the strike. Previously, the maximum number launched in a single attack was 14 — on May 24 and October 10, 2025.
The Financial Times earlier reported that Russia has modernized its Iskander-M and Kinzhal missiles to better evade Ukrainian air defenses. The upgraded missiles can perform sharp maneuvers or dives in the final phase of their trajectory, making interception by Patriot systems more difficult.

An American-Ukrainian analogue of the Shahed with AI and a 1,600-km homing range — the Artemis ALM-20 — has been developed, DE reports.
The UAV carries a 45-kg warhead, has completed full-scale testing (including ground launch, GPS and non-GPS navigation, long-range transit, and ground activation), has been tested on targets in Russia, and is being put into mass production.

Russia Secretly Supplied Venezuela’s Leader Maduro with Military Tech To Crush Mass Protests—Leaked Files Reveal (united24media.com/world/russia-secretly-supplied-venezuelas-leader-maduro-with-military-tech-to-crush-mass-protests-leaked-files-reveal-12558)
Following non-democratic elections in 2018, Nicolás Maduro retained power in Venezuela, triggering mass protests that left dozens dead. As Washington refused to recognize the results and Caracas severed diplomatic ties, Moscow began supplying Maduro’s regime with advanced military technology that would help it consolidate control.

“Our strikes on Russian refineries have had a greater impact than sanctions. We inflicted far more direct damage on the Russian Federation than any economic measures applied so far,” said Kyrylo Budanov, head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, at the Kyiv International Economic Forum.
“This unpleasant truth leads to the conclusion that existing sanctions are clearly not enough. If things continue as they are, they will not change the Russian Federation’s course. But combined with our actions, they are producing results.”

🇬🇧 Britain faces a growing threat from Russia, China, and Iran, says MI5
MI5 Director General Ken McCallum reported that British domestic intelligence recorded a record number of threats this year—from both terrorists and hostile states.
He noted a 35% increase in the number of national security suspects. MI5 has thwarted multiple attempts by Russia and more than 20 with Iranian support.
China is accused of cyber espionage, recruiting scientists, and interfering in British public life. Since 2020, MI5 has prevented 19 attempted terrorist attacks.

A 17-year-old Ukrainian teenager was murdered in Dublin, The Irish Times reported.
According to the publication, Vadym Davydenko, who had arrived in Ireland less than a week earlier, died from a stab wound at the Grattan Wood residential complex in Donaghmead. Another teenager sustained life-threatening injuries, and a woman was also hospitalized.
The incident occurred on the morning of October 15 at a facility that provides 24-hour care and support to individuals seeking international protection.

Ukraine Invasion: Part 58
Ukraine Invasion: Part 58
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