Lucy Letby: have you changed your mind?

[Kittybythelighthouse]

I’ve been sensing a shift in opinions on the Lucy Letby case and I’m interested in hearing from people who have changed their mind either way.

Did you used to think she was guilty and now you don’t, or you aren’t sure? What changed your mind?

Also vice versa: did you used to think she was not guilty but then changed your mind to guilty? What convinced you?

The reason I’m using the term ‘not guilty’ rather than ‘innocent’ is because courts don’t prove innocence. Not guilty is a legal conclusion about whether or not the state met its burden of proof.

Eh?

I have to say I’m not surprised.

Once again you show no understanding of the difference between innocent and not guilty.

But let’s just imagine that a magic wand could be waved and it were possible to now completely prove that Letby is completely innocent: who would be mentally fit and well enough to be able ti competently care for a baby after the horror of having you name and your identity dragged through the mud to a level where one can’t even go into town without knowing that everyone knows who you are and people will continue to talk? Where at any moment some vigilante nutter who believes (despite innocence being proven) could decide to unleash their rage and anger and cause you harm?

Your question is moot.

Yep, but ask you did, which means you think its a reasonable question to ask even someone who doesn't view LL as innocent.

You said:

'Having sampled the care of agency temp nurses I'd rather have Letby caring for a baby under my watchful eye than an agency nurse.'

Have you forgotten what you posted?

OK, so what?

why do you keep going on about this? there is absolutely no way she would either want to nurse premature babies again, or be allowed to, as her registartion would have lapsed and they'd exclude reregistration even if she wanted to based on the taking notes home etc.

I never said anything about LL being innocent? You seem to be reading words that aren't there.

Ok so even if LL had been found not guilty at he trial, you would have been happy with her looking after your baby?

If you can't engage with your own words, why expect me to?

Yes i think she may be innocent. I used to work in the nhs and there is definitely a culture of managers making mistakes and blaming others.

I will not be answering any more f your aggressive posts . It is getting very tedious.

I have no idea how you view LL, how would I know that?

I can't relate what you wrote to my words. I suspect your issue is English comprehension.

Maybe get chatgpt to tell you what those those words meant.

😂

If you can't even remember what you wrote, how can you possibly follow the evidence about LL?

I caution people to ignore this poster. They’re trying to drag the thread into a mud slinging match. Unless they come with something substantive I think everyone should just ignore.

I'm really not. Did you even read @EaglesSwim 's posts?

Do you actually have anything of substance to say? Or are you just here to attempt to goad people? Because I’ve yet to see you say anything substantive on this thread.

Did you read @EaglesSwim 's posts? Did they make sense to you?

Here’s a draft BBC complaint for anyone who wants to complain about the financial conflict of interest + mangled stats in last night’s panorama:

The BBC Panorama programme on Lucy Letby, presented by Judith Moritz and Jonathan Coffey, breaches impartiality and accuracy rules. Both journalists co-authored a commercially published book (Unmasking Lucy Letby) which promotes a guilty narrative. The Letby case is still under CCRC review, so having the book’s authors front the BBC’s coverage creates a clear conflict of interest under BBC Editorial Guidelines.

The programme also presented a “40 times higher” breathing-tube dislodgement rate for Letby, comparing it with a “less than 1%” rate on other shifts. The method shown was mathematically flawed: for “other shifts” each intubated baby was counted as a separate “shift equivalent”, but for Letby’s shifts only one was counted per shift, even if several babies were intubated. This inflated her apparent rate. No statistician appears to have verified this. These breaches undermine public trust and demand Ofcom investigation and a public correction.

www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints/make-a-complaint

I’d just ignore tbh.

People often do that towards the end of a long contentious thread - flood it with nonsense posts so they can get the last word in and block a link to a new thread.

Will you be setting up a new thread and linking from this one? I hope so - it's been a really valuable discussion. Just one page to go!

Good shout! Will do.

Did you not think the posts by @EaglesSwim were nonsense then? And why not?

I enjoyed and mostly agreed with the Guardian's review of Panorama, though I think three stars were generous

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/aug/11/lucy-letby-who-to-believe-review-panorama-bbc-one

They should have given less time to their own bickering and bafflement and more to the experts they interviewed.