Lucy Letby: have you changed your mind?

[Kittybythelighthouse]

I’ve been sensing a shift in opinions on the Lucy Letby case and I’m interested in hearing from people who have changed their mind either way.

Did you used to think she was guilty and now you don’t, or you aren’t sure? What changed your mind?

Also vice versa: did you used to think she was not guilty but then changed your mind to guilty? What convinced you?

The reason I’m using the term ‘not guilty’ rather than ‘innocent’ is because courts don’t prove innocence. Not guilty is a legal conclusion about whether or not the state met its burden of proof.

A lawyer friend of mine was spitting teeth at how unfair her trial was at the time. Whether or not she is guilty (I've always had doubts) the trial was an absolute miscarriage.

I thought she was guilty at the time of her trial, but wasn’t following the case in detail. Looking back and having read more, it is staggering to me that she was convicted. There just isn’t the evidence there that proves her guilt. Dr Lee’s findings changed everything for me.

I’m very unsure

I think she is guilty, but I don't think her conviction is safe. There's a high profile Scottish murder case that I have the exact same feelings on.

And that's a dilemma because you don't want dangerous people walking the streets, but equally a fit and proper justice system is essential.

I've watch the new documentary on BBC and I'm still convinced she did it.

I have read and watched everything I can about the case, over several years. I think that she is guilty, but that the conviction isn't safe. As there seems to be other evidence now, I think there's a growing chance that she will get a retrial.

I don’t know if she’s guilty. I didn’t know before and I still don’t know now.

I do know i’m amazed she was ever convicted with the “evidence” that was presented.

Exactly.

What the people who say she is guilty don't seem to realise is that the people who are saying this needs looking again at, aren't saying that she is definitely innocent; they are saying that the conviction is unsafe. They will be totally content if there is a fair retrial and other evidence, which is correctly applied, finds her guilty.

Whereas those who say she is guilty object strongly to a second trial - which leads me to suspect that they agree that the conviction is unsafe, because if they thought it was totally secure then they would not be at all worried about a retrial as it would have the same results.

We should all be worried about someone convicted on the evidence that she was convicted by; because next time it could be you.

I think on the balance of probability, she is guilty, but now think the trial was unfair and would like her to have a retrial.

I don’t think there was enough evidence to convict and even the autopsies said natural causes so no idea how it actually got to court.

Didn't she take confidential medical notes home and admitted it? That alone could be enough to strike her off.

Class argument bro! Really, really good. You'd have been such a slay queen on twitter in 2016

One small problem: Dr Neena Modi does not appear to be a man. Nor Dr Jane Hawdon. Nor Dr Joanne Langley. Nor many others from various fields, including statisticians who were part of the expert panel which stated that they believe the conviction is unsafe.

She was BLONDE though. So yeah, you must be right - just throw away the key!!!! It's literally impossible that the infallible British justice system made a mistake, especially if the convict is BLONDE!!!

This is the reality. Anyone who hasn’t worked in this environment as a nurse / doctor / HCA will not understand.

I said from day one that I thought she was innocent. I stand by that.

With zero information? Wow. Stupid!!!

I think both that the trial was dodgy and that she is guilty. I picked up the statistics about being the only one on shift for all of these deaths as odd during the trial, as there were other deaths. Was on the fence until the insulin information, but that convinced me.

She took home handover notes from previous shifts,very easily done. You have handover,stuff it in your pocket and it’s there when you get home . Think any HCP can relate to that scenario.

Yes she’s guilty. I’m in the same job and have no doubt.

taking home hundreds of handovers are not the actions of a normal nurse. We all know it’s a massive breach of confidentiality and a sackable offence.

I feel in places where there are particularly vulnerable patients (babies being one of them), there should be CCTV that is never allowed to be looked at unless there is a potential crime committed. That would be the only time it could ever be accessed and only by the police, so staff, patients and family members would have the confidence that they are never being watched. It would only ever be looked at in extreme cases such as this.

I really feel for the families still going through hell every day.

It wasn’t just rye off one and those sheets are massive in 23 years I’ve never done it you have to get changed for one thing you know they are there.

Watch the latest documentary on the case - "Lucy Letby: Beyond Reasonable Doubt." And expert from the US explains why that's not the smoking gun - by any stretch of the imagination - that the prosecution painted it as.

The fact that you believe so also shows why jury trials in such complex cases are flawed. They'd have simply bought whatever was told to them, with no ability to analyse or contextualise.

The question shouldn’t be is she guilty or not but was there even a crime committed. That’s the real issue here. I don’t think that there was a crime. Dewi Evans sat down with a cup of tea and within 10 minutes of reading medical notes ‘decided’ there had been a crime. And he is on the record saying that. I think he fancies himself as Sherlock Holmes.

So that’s how you know she’s guilty? Because she took home a lot of notes she shouldn’t have?

Yes - they have a different burden of proof so can act on a balance of probabilities. Plus she clearly can't go back to the Countess and you can't force another hospital to hire her

I was shocked she was found guilty at trial as I just couldn’t see how the evidence was beyond reasonable doubt.

according to Dr Lee and his panel there’s no evidence at all of murder and they feel the deaths are explainable by natural causes or shoddy medical care. The documentary also said that there were other baby deaths not taken in to account simply because Lucy Letby couldn’t have done it.