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How to tell my friend who lives in Saudi to stop bloody patronising me!

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SomeLikeitSnot · 04/08/2025 16:21

My friend lives in KSA with her family and LOVES it. Loves having a live in maid, pool on site, glitz and glamour. Great- v happy for her! Shes in the UK over summer visiting and we are seeing her a lot and shes driving me INSANE.
Shes taken on this real 'aw poor you stuck in UK its sooo hard here' mentality and I find it so grating. I have no inclination to move to Saudi/the middle east and her acting like Im jealous of her life is becoming so tiresome.
When we are chatting she will keep saying 'sorry I'll stop going on about the sun and lifestyle it must be hard to hear!' when I honestly couldnt care less. Sounds great for her and I love the stories- I also love the UK countryside/weather/culture/all our friends and family. I think she feels me prickling and thinks is jealousy.
I remember from visiting friends in the UAE everyone is v anti-UK and thinks its a shithole and theres a real feeling of people 'escaping' to the ME but I really don't mind it here and I want to say something to cut out the comments.
She is a friend so I wont want to make a sarky comment about womens rights/death penalty etc just a 'please stop feeling sorry for me, I dont want your life'!

OP posts:
Shmithecat2 · 06/08/2025 16:53

WoosMama13 · 06/08/2025 16:52

My friend and her family did live there. That is what happened to her and her daughter (who was five at the time, so even more ridiculous she was made to follow the strict rules). No offence is meant, this is what I was told by someone who had experienced it all first hand.
I apologise if what I was told is not your experience, nor commonly practiced today. But that happened to them and has happened to other women.

How long ago did she live there?

WoosMama13 · 06/08/2025 16:56

Shmithecat2 · 06/08/2025 16:53

How long ago did she live there?

About 12 years ago. From another post, I've seen it's changed a lot very quickly, so my information is outdated as to how women are treated now.

JustTalkToThem · 06/08/2025 17:00

Dorisbonson · 05/08/2025 22:18

I had maids with degrees, but it's questionable what the quality of that degree is. I frequently had to explain that sponges used to clean bathroom surfaces should not be used in the kitchen etc.

Never needed a live in one and wouldn't want one anyway but I understand that some of them are treated badly compared to the UK but very well compared to where they came from.

This is an ignorant thing to say - you have no clue on the quality of their degree.

I have three degrees (from very reputable universities) and not one of them taught me cleaning.

Aznavour · 06/08/2025 17:10

HaselahHaadom · 06/08/2025 04:49

Telling myself what? You have no logical argument so you just go to snide comments. I volunteer in a slum community just a few km from where I live (in addition to my full time job and the fact I have time to volunteer is partly due to having a maid) and what I see there keeps me up at night, certainly not my maid who is well taken care of, treated with respect and appreciation and provided with decent employment. You really don't know what you're talking about since, as you say, you've never had the opportunity to actually employ someone.

You began your interaction with me by making all sorts of false equivalences. Eating in a restaurant or going on holiday are simply not equivalent to employing a vulnerable individual in a country like Saudi Arabia. As I wrote above, capitalism is an inherently exploitative system that is rotten at the core. And it is certainly true that most people in the West benefit unfairly from the labour of workers elsewhere. We can discuss all this from the global economic perspective. But on an individual level, the inequality of the current system doesn't mean we should throw up our hands and say that our choices don't matter or that everything is equivalent to everything else.

In this post you stated that I've "never had the opportunity to actually employ someone." I suppose you meant that as an insult? But it isn't about opportunities, it's about choices. I have lived all over the world. There are some countries I simply refuse to live in (or visit). That's a choice I've made, though I could certainly have earned a lot of money if I hadn't made that choice. Of course, the option to make such choices at all is probably one of the highest levels of privilege available.

I think it's great that you volunteer in a local community (I mean that genuinely, no sarcasm intended). But I still maintain that paying someone a pittance just because you can and "everybody else does" is fundamentally wrong. It doesn't matter whether the employer is a massive corporation or a private individual. It's still wrong IMO.

SemiRetiredLoveGoddeess · 10/08/2025 19:13

She sounds like a real.pain.

Tell her to done one as the Scousers day!

NavyTurtle · 12/08/2025 12:04

slightlydistrac · 04/08/2025 16:25

She might be a friend, and you might not want to make sarky comments to her about womens' rights/death penalty etc in her country of choice.
But being a friend isn't stopping her from making sarky comments to you, is it?

Took the words right out of my mouth.

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