The same people who do now. Carers.
Nobody is responsible for replenishing the country’s workforce if they don’t want to. There is no “must have child” expectation, and if there is - it’s archaic and wants getting rid of.
We have a choice.
And working mothers still care for their kids. My partner and I probably work 90-100 hours between us. When my 8 year old stepson needs changing, there’s no au pair doing it. Working doesn’t mean less hands on, it means busier - frankly.
SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 20:38
I’m not talking about children/step children caring for parents (although that’s certainly the norm in other countries), I’m talking about paid carers. There won’t be enough people here to do those jobs, people don’t even want to spend a few years doing hands on care for their own babies, let alone for a load of unrelated elderly people. People here look down their noses on those types of job. But then the Brexit vote illustrates the UK doesn’t want help from immigrants either. What a conundrum.
So who is going to care for our ageing population whilst our birth rate continues to decline? Who has an answer for that?
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SleeplessInWherever ·
28/07/2025 20:31
I don’t have any biological children. I have one wonderful stepson, who is also very disabled and won’t be caring for anyone in our later years.
Looks like that plan didn’t work out for us!
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 20:28
Well they’d better start at least being a bit more welcoming to the immigrants who will be their future carers then…we won’t have anyone left here if things continue as they are.
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SleeplessInWherever ·
28/07/2025 20:27
People don’t forget to have children, they don’t want them, for reasons known only to them. Reasons they’re allowed to have.
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 20:24
Please do not refer to women as breeding, animals breed thank you. Women conceive and birth children.
We have an ageing population and declining birth rate. People are literally forgetting to have children pursuing hedonistic lifestyles whilst simultaneously being priced out of it.
The UK also voted for Brexit and a majority didn’t want immigrants here.
Like it or not, we are all going to be in serious trouble if people keep taking their eye of the ball marriage-wise. As our many other countries. The UK has never been so anti-marriage and anti-children…wow, that’s working out really well for us all isn’t it? Congratulations.
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HighLadyofTheNightCourt ·
28/07/2025 20:19
This is one of the most concerning posts I’ve read in a long time.
I bet you’re one of those parents who discourages their daughters education because all she’s good for is breeding stock.
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 20:02
That I do agree with you on. Young people unfortunately don’t think about marriage young enough anymore. We are actively working on changing that. It’s a travesty that so many women waste their twenties pursuing education and careers forgetting that they are different and their time is more limited to have children. Young people really need to be dating with intent in their late teens/early twenties.
The biggest wrong in modern society goes way beyond the whole motherhood vs work debate. Actually, mothers run themselves ragged prioritising both their children and work in many cases. They force their husbands to do the same in the name of equality. Who they really neglect is their husband, and therefore their marriage.
Christian wives know that the correct order is God then husband then children. Same for husbands, wives actually come before children. Date nights and intimate lives are not neglected, children do not control the home or the marital bedroom. If husband and wife prioritise each other then everything else can flourish. The correct pair is husband and children, not work and children. Work can never replace your husband.
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HighLadyofTheNightCourt ·
28/07/2025 19:56
You never have anything nice to say do you?
I couldn’t care less whether you’re impressed or not but they’re certainly not worthless. They were required for my job and I’m incredibly proud of my achievements.
and anyway most young people don’t have marriage at the forefront of their minds when making education and career decisions.
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 19:48
And not everybody is impressed by degrees and PHDs. Many are largely worthless nowadays, which people are wising up to. Not everyone wants to start married life with years of unnecessary debt.
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HighLadyofTheNightCourt ·
28/07/2025 19:08
You are surrounded by a lot of negativity. None of your friends or acquaintances seem very happy.
And you didn’t ask me a question so…
But let’s talk about class privilege shall we? I grew up in abject poverty in one of the most deprived areas of the uk. I was the first (and still the only) member of my family to go to university. I have a degree, two postgraduate degrees and a PhD. I’ve worked very hard to develop my career in a male dominated field. I didn’t want to give that up when I had a child, so I didn’t.
We used a fabulous nursery, I can’t speak highly enough of the wonderful women and men ( cos there were 2 male members of staff) who cared for our son.
I haven’t benefitted from family help because my mum was murdered and my dad lives abroad. Therefore we chose an excellent nursery. I stand by that choice and nobody will make me feel bad for the choices I’ve made.
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 18:59
Didn’t answer my question did you? Probably someone who knows full well you’ve benefited from the efforts of poor women. Own your class privilege.
I am personally disgusted by how disdainfully I hear my high earning female friends speaking about their childminders, nursery workers and cleaners. How very Feminist of them.
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HighLadyofTheNightCourt ·
28/07/2025 18:57
As a Christian how do you rationalise your judgemental attitude and posts that put working women down?
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 18:54
I adore how it’s always the MIL/mother/female nursery workers/female childminder/female au pair/female teachers/female cleaners picking up the slack for working mothers. So it’s OK for those women to do your caring for you, but not OK for an actual mother to care for her own home and children, hmm OK.
So children under these scenarios are still largely raised by guess who…women. But that’s OK because it’s OK for poor women to pick up the slack as long as that frees up middle/upper class women to excel at their Very Important Careers. The class system and divide between rich and poor is certainly thriving in the UK, and it’s a shame Feminists don’t speak up about that a bit more eh?
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Parker231 ·
28/07/2025 16:48
I liked that the more senior I got, the greater flexibility I had. Also my Mil was a teacher and more than happy to fly over to support during school holidays or take DT’s back with her for a few weeks.
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HighLadyofTheNightCourt ·
28/07/2025 16:37
I'm not sure you realise just how patronising you sound!
Both me and DH work full time but in jobs with very generous annual leave and a huge amount of flexibility.
There is zero stress about childcare here, we love the long summer holidays!
You've decided the life of a working mum is full of stress and never seeing their kids when that is not always the case.
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 16:19
😂 great question! 😂 drum roll please…their Dad! He’s off work over the Summer, which is utterly fabulous as our children have both parents attending to them for the entire Summer. Zero stress over childcare, both can have 1:1 time, constant days out, play dates with school friends, family.
Yes actually, even better than being a SAHM is being one with a DH who has the amount of annual leave mine does. Utterly fantastic! So much self inflicted stress and whinging bout shortening the Summer hols- No thanks! Just because it’s hassle for some, others absolutely revel in them. If anyone messes with them I’ll be home schooling, that’s for sure.
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Gonehome56 ·
28/07/2025 16:11
@SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItRealfor someone that professes to be so attentive to their children because they don't work, you have spent an awful lot of time on here. Who's attending to your kids whilst you rant all day?
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 16:09
I don’t think poorly of their relationship. I respect their different, but equally important, relationship.
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Parker231 ·
28/07/2025 14:18
Sorry that you think so poorly of your DC’s relationship with your DH.
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 14:04
If a breast feeding baby was stranded on a desert island with you both, they’d pick you not Dad. Sorry but Dad can only ever be a close second, especially during the early years. They become much more crucially important later on. Oh any how many children call ‘Mum, Mum?’ even when Dad is there? Very proud to be their number 1, always 🥰
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HighLadyofTheNightCourt ·
28/07/2025 13:54
This is such a patronising post.
I would be a terrible SAHP. I don't think that because I lack in confidence. Far from it, I know I'm a good mum and I'm a better mum because I work. That is what works for me and my family.
My DH is an equally good parent, not a close second.
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 13:49
You see, my money would still be on you being the better SAHP, with Dad a close second. You are their Mum, the absolute perfect Mum for your unique children. You are beautifully matched and everything they could ever need. They would choose you over anyone. It’s a beautiful bond, the most sincerely genuine. Hope on some level you know that. I hope people around you have told you that you are a good mother. 💐
It saddens me greatly that modern society has tried to drive such a wedge and separation between mothers and babies. It is unsurprising many mothers lack confidence and support and now assume that anyone can do a better job than them, from a paid Nursery worker to their DH, all in the name of being ‘empowered’. There used to be far more support and encouragement for mothers. I’d back you.
Look, you’re doing things your way, but remember- if you ever change your mind and want to scale back, spend more time with your DCs, etc don’t ever let anyone make you feel less than for doing just that. That can be hard for anyone who strongly identifies with work due to constant drilling by modern schools, universities, the workplace and the mass media about the importance of career, career, career. Any time you spend with your own children has immeasurable worth to both them and you.
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SouthLondonMum22 ·
28/07/2025 12:46
I agree that the majority of us are doing our best. I will outright tell my children if they ask that I would’ve been a terrible SAHP and if anyone would’ve done it, it would’ve been their dad.
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 12:39
Struggling to buy food sounds tough, sure fair enough then.
I do genuinely worry that in the future our own children will criticise all of us for our different decisions and that will hurt. Hopefully we can all try to show some kindness to our own parents.
I do actually believe most of us are trying our best.
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SouthLondonMum22 ·
28/07/2025 12:36
She did try her best but sometimes your best isn’t good enough. She wasn’t abusive but I don’t believe it was in my best interests to grow up watching my parents worry over every penny, struggle to buy food at times, constantly stress over money etc.
It wasn’t pleasant and I’m not going to lie about that to keep my mum happy.
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 12:28
So you can’t think of anything else apart from money in however many years your mother spent at home raising you that she did to try her best to help you? Unless she was abusive to you (which you would have my deepest sympathies with) then surely she tried her best in other ways? Pretty hurtful surely to not see the good in anything she tried to do for you? Only you know that of course, you lived it.
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SouthLondonMum22 ·
28/07/2025 12:24
Should people be grateful that they were raised in poverty by choice? I don’t think so.
If my children decide to be a SAHP, I won’t be demanding that they should just be grateful. They don’t have to agree with every parenting decision we’ve made.
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 12:07
Your mother has my deepest sympathies to have such a deeply ungrateful and disrespectful daughter. Picture how you’d feel in years to come if your children wrote off the childhood you’ve given them like that? Appalling.
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SouthLondonMum22 ·
28/07/2025 11:45
I also hated having a SAHM. It was miserable scrimping and scraping and never having any money.
It’s a big reason why I’d never be a SAHM myself.
Mustbethat ·
28/07/2025 11:44
Oh and fwiw I hated having a sahm. I found it smothering. I hated having to weigh up every penny, and having to go without quite a lot. As a teen in particular I’d have enjoyed some independence, more freedom and a bit more money so I could afford to go out with friends, join some after school activities etc.
my mum’s retired now and still counting pennies. Can’t travel, can’t afford this, can’t afford that.
my dc are adults and we recently discussed me working. Turns out they found many positives, they got more time with their dad than many of their peers, they often used my work as a ready excuse as to why they couldn’t do stuff they didn’t want to 😂. It helps my job is relatively “cool” and gets them points with their friends. They are also aware that a lot of the privileges they had growing up were because I worked.