What changes are they then? Forced impregnation?
SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 20:27
I’d rather pay a SAHP than a nursery every single time.
My DH has friends in their forties who quite frankly need to grow up. Who waste money on holidays and drinking. Contributing diddly squat of any value to the next generation. Whilst my DH is housing, feeding and clothing his entire family. Makes my blood boil.
Changes are coming though!
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SleeplessInWherever ·
28/07/2025 20:22
Well, I hate to sound all Tory Lite, but I’m about to:
I would rather not pay for other people to raise their kids, via a guaranteed 3 year pay for SAHPs. I would rather pay for those people to send their children to nursery.
Double the tax, whether you agree with that or not.
I definitely don’t think we should tax fathers less than men with no children. This isn’t Gilead.
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 20:18
OK, so on working Mums who can’t afford to be SAHMs, I think it is disgraceful that they don’t have that choice in the UK. That should be a given. Deeply ashamed of our country for that.
In response, I would:
- Give all mothers a guaranteed paid 3 years off work.
- Adjust the whole taxation system to allow more that choice. Fathers who support a family should be taxed differently to men with no children for sure.
- Adjust the whole child benefit system so a mother can receive more during the first 3 years proportionately, then less as her children age.
I would back any mother doing whatever it takes who is currently stuck at work missing her baby to stay at home, including lying to claim disability benefits (which I personally know several poor mothers who are doing just that on the school run). Hats off to them, no judgment from me. They have every right to afford to be with their own children. Same as night shift work being available and WFH (one positive modern development) as givens to fit around their children’s commitments.
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SleeplessInWherever ·
28/07/2025 20:10
It was double, not triple.
And it was in reference to “we’re not individuals, we’re a unit.” Just gave me “joint Facebook/email account” vibes.
My partner and I are absolutely a team, however I’m also absolutely an individual. We haven’t morphed into one another.
I noticed you haven’t responded to me reminding you that not all working mums are middle class?
In fact, of all the SAHP I know - they’re the ones that are upper/middle class, everyone else can’t afford it.
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 19:50
Now who’s being judgmental? It used to be the norm in the UK, and still is in plenty of other countries that those with dependents are rightly taxed differently. Change is coming here though, mark my words.
Oh and your triple vomit emojis? That’s how I’d feel if I had been forced to leave my baby at a nursery.
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SleeplessInWherever ·
28/07/2025 19:48
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 19:45
Yes of course, my DH pays plenty of tax on our family’s behalf, so yes of course. We view ourselves as a unit, not 2 individuals.
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HighLadyofTheNightCourt ·
28/07/2025 19:12
I’m guessing you’re happy to benefit from the services others peoples taxes provide though eh?
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 19:04
All political parties with the exception of the Greens and Reform for a start, setting the tone for sadly a majority who can’t think critically about who benefits from that…ie the government shamelessly lining their pockets with taxes from 2 adults per household instead of 1. Well they are not getting anything from me, not one penny.
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HighLadyofTheNightCourt ·
28/07/2025 18:59
Who has said it’s not okay to look after your own children?
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 18:54
I adore how it’s always the MIL/mother/female nursery workers/female childminder/female au pair/female teachers/female cleaners picking up the slack for working mothers. So it’s OK for those women to do your caring for you, but not OK for an actual mother to care for her own home and children, hmm OK.
So children under these scenarios are still largely raised by guess who…women. But that’s OK because it’s OK for poor women to pick up the slack as long as that frees up middle/upper class women to excel at their Very Important Careers. The class system and divide between rich and poor is certainly thriving in the UK, and it’s a shame Feminists don’t speak up about that a bit more eh?
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Parker231 ·
28/07/2025 16:48
I liked that the more senior I got, the greater flexibility I had. Also my Mil was a teacher and more than happy to fly over to support during school holidays or take DT’s back with her for a few weeks.
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HighLadyofTheNightCourt ·
28/07/2025 16:37
I'm not sure you realise just how patronising you sound!
Both me and DH work full time but in jobs with very generous annual leave and a huge amount of flexibility.
There is zero stress about childcare here, we love the long summer holidays!
You've decided the life of a working mum is full of stress and never seeing their kids when that is not always the case.
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 16:19
😂 great question! 😂 drum roll please…their Dad! He’s off work over the Summer, which is utterly fabulous as our children have both parents attending to them for the entire Summer. Zero stress over childcare, both can have 1:1 time, constant days out, play dates with school friends, family.
Yes actually, even better than being a SAHM is being one with a DH who has the amount of annual leave mine does. Utterly fantastic! So much self inflicted stress and whinging bout shortening the Summer hols- No thanks! Just because it’s hassle for some, others absolutely revel in them. If anyone messes with them I’ll be home schooling, that’s for sure.
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Gonehome56 ·
28/07/2025 16:11
@SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItRealfor someone that professes to be so attentive to their children because they don't work, you have spent an awful lot of time on here. Who's attending to your kids whilst you rant all day?
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 16:09
I don’t think poorly of their relationship. I respect their different, but equally important, relationship.
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Parker231 ·
28/07/2025 14:18
Sorry that you think so poorly of your DC’s relationship with your DH.
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 14:04
If a breast feeding baby was stranded on a desert island with you both, they’d pick you not Dad. Sorry but Dad can only ever be a close second, especially during the early years. They become much more crucially important later on. Oh any how many children call ‘Mum, Mum?’ even when Dad is there? Very proud to be their number 1, always 🥰
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HighLadyofTheNightCourt ·
28/07/2025 13:54
This is such a patronising post.
I would be a terrible SAHP. I don't think that because I lack in confidence. Far from it, I know I'm a good mum and I'm a better mum because I work. That is what works for me and my family.
My DH is an equally good parent, not a close second.
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 13:49
You see, my money would still be on you being the better SAHP, with Dad a close second. You are their Mum, the absolute perfect Mum for your unique children. You are beautifully matched and everything they could ever need. They would choose you over anyone. It’s a beautiful bond, the most sincerely genuine. Hope on some level you know that. I hope people around you have told you that you are a good mother. 💐
It saddens me greatly that modern society has tried to drive such a wedge and separation between mothers and babies. It is unsurprising many mothers lack confidence and support and now assume that anyone can do a better job than them, from a paid Nursery worker to their DH, all in the name of being ‘empowered’. There used to be far more support and encouragement for mothers. I’d back you.
Look, you’re doing things your way, but remember- if you ever change your mind and want to scale back, spend more time with your DCs, etc don’t ever let anyone make you feel less than for doing just that. That can be hard for anyone who strongly identifies with work due to constant drilling by modern schools, universities, the workplace and the mass media about the importance of career, career, career. Any time you spend with your own children has immeasurable worth to both them and you.
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SouthLondonMum22 ·
28/07/2025 12:46
I agree that the majority of us are doing our best. I will outright tell my children if they ask that I would’ve been a terrible SAHP and if anyone would’ve done it, it would’ve been their dad.
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 12:39
Struggling to buy food sounds tough, sure fair enough then.
I do genuinely worry that in the future our own children will criticise all of us for our different decisions and that will hurt. Hopefully we can all try to show some kindness to our own parents.
I do actually believe most of us are trying our best.
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SouthLondonMum22 ·
28/07/2025 12:36
She did try her best but sometimes your best isn’t good enough. She wasn’t abusive but I don’t believe it was in my best interests to grow up watching my parents worry over every penny, struggle to buy food at times, constantly stress over money etc.
It wasn’t pleasant and I’m not going to lie about that to keep my mum happy.
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 12:28
So you can’t think of anything else apart from money in however many years your mother spent at home raising you that she did to try her best to help you? Unless she was abusive to you (which you would have my deepest sympathies with) then surely she tried her best in other ways? Pretty hurtful surely to not see the good in anything she tried to do for you? Only you know that of course, you lived it.
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SouthLondonMum22 ·
28/07/2025 12:24
Should people be grateful that they were raised in poverty by choice? I don’t think so.
If my children decide to be a SAHP, I won’t be demanding that they should just be grateful. They don’t have to agree with every parenting decision we’ve made.
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SayItLikeItIsLetsKeepItReal ·
28/07/2025 12:07
Your mother has my deepest sympathies to have such a deeply ungrateful and disrespectful daughter. Picture how you’d feel in years to come if your children wrote off the childhood you’ve given them like that? Appalling.
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SouthLondonMum22 ·
28/07/2025 11:45
I also hated having a SAHM. It was miserable scrimping and scraping and never having any money.
It’s a big reason why I’d never be a SAHM myself.
Mustbethat ·
28/07/2025 11:44
Oh and fwiw I hated having a sahm. I found it smothering. I hated having to weigh up every penny, and having to go without quite a lot. As a teen in particular I’d have enjoyed some independence, more freedom and a bit more money so I could afford to go out with friends, join some after school activities etc.
my mum’s retired now and still counting pennies. Can’t travel, can’t afford this, can’t afford that.
my dc are adults and we recently discussed me working. Turns out they found many positives, they got more time with their dad than many of their peers, they often used my work as a ready excuse as to why they couldn’t do stuff they didn’t want to 😂. It helps my job is relatively “cool” and gets them points with their friends. They are also aware that a lot of the privileges they had growing up were because I worked.