Mandatory vaccinations to access nursery and school?

[rickyrickygrimes]

I’m British but have lived in France since my youngest was 5 months old. Both my children had to have a full programme of vaccinations (I think it’s 11 in total) before starting nursery / school. I’m surprised to find out that there aren’t any mandatory vaccinations for children going into a group setting here in the UK and wondered how that would go down if it was required? Especially now that there seen to be rising numbers of children are not being vaccinated against serious illnesses such as measles.

Education is poor and needs to improve. The answer isn’t to just force people. An uneducated society causes a lot of issues, not just with low vaccine uptake.

Not all opinions are equal.

Arrogant and irrelevant. Everyone thinks their opinion is superior, and others are wrong. If you can't stand your position without being derogatory then you've got a weak grasp of what it is you're arguing.

My opinion about vaccinations is supported by medical science and, more importantly, hasn't killed anyone.

That's factually inaccurate.

Correct, this is common in lots of countries without people crying their eyes out about 'human rights'.

Dont vaccinate, dont go to nursery. Simple.

We need the laugh emoji back. Or an eye roll.

More importantly, we need to protect the clinically vulnerable from this sort of stupidity by any means necessary.

No, but I know of plenty who have lifelong effects from not being vaccinated. The ones that are still alive, that is.

This is my position as well

My DC are fully vaccinated, and I believe it's the best option for them and for society. However I will never support mandatory vaccinations (nor mandatory health interventions of any kind). It's dystopian.

There's probably quite a big crossover between anti vaxers and people who want to home school anyway. The problem I can see with it is that it's not the child's fault if their parents deny them a vaccination but they are the one that suffers from being denied an education, not the parents

There is a laugh emoji and an eye roll emoji. Just not secret ones

Anti-vax home educators deny their children vaccination and a decent education.

There is a genuine medical reason. If not enough people get them then children will die.

You've proved my point very nicely.

What happened to bodily autonomy? Or is that just when you personally agree with it?

My kids were born and raised in France and I’m very pro the French system. I discovered when I was pregnant with my eldest that I’d never been vaccinated myself. So I’m very grateful for the herd immunity that I got.

I'm not saying you should be held down and forcibly vaccinated, or imprisoned for making the wrong choice.

I'm saying there should be some consequences of making the wrong choice. I've suggested some potential ones in this thread.

If people won't make the right choice spontaneously, maybe they will if their arms are twisted.

I think @Morgenrot25 was saying that they should be mandatory unless there is a medical reason why you can't be vaccinated. Some people can't be, which is why they need everyone else to be.

I’m with you except for the non-imprisonment bit. Public nuisance is an offence. I don’t see why anti-vaxxers shouldn’t fall under that or some more specific offence.

There’s also civil liability for going about in public with an infectious disease. Again, I can’t see why anti-vaxxers shouldn’t be caught by that, but on the basis of choosing not to stop infectious disease. Some bankruptcies by civil damages among the anti-vaxxers would focus minds, I think.

Autonomy only goes so far - it is balanced by the need to avoid harming others

your choice ( this excludes those who shouldn’t vaccinate for whatever because it’s not a choice then ) not to vaccinate against measles makes you partially responsible for the death of a child with measles

what is really irritating is that your choice not to vaccinate also increases the risk of your own child dying under some weird “I know better than the experts “ arrogance- the risk from the illness is greater than the risk from the vaccine

I wouldn’t support this and I I suspect there would be a lot of outrage if they did try to bring it in. Education is better than force, the government need to find better ways to push back against the social media crap as the current forms of educating people around vaccines aren’t working for the groups they need to target.

I home ed, the crossover between anti vax and home ed isn’t as large as it used to be.

Not vaccinating your children (unless due to a medical reason such as allergies to the product / compromised health in general meaning unable to etc) is neglect. End of. It’s basic good parenting.

your choice ( this excludes those who shouldn’t vaccinate for whatever because it’s not a choice then ) not to vaccinate against measles makes you partially responsible for the death of a child with measles

Under this logic, anyone who didn't fully isolate during the pandemic is partially responsible for the death of vulnerable people with COVID. I believe that, but no one wants to admit it.

I'm not arguing against the science, I'm arguing the obnoxious and arrogant way @MissScarletInTheBallroom is treating other people. They've resorted to bullying their way through a debate, and as such, has lost any credibility.

The key to increasing vaccination uptake is not through belligerence and superiority.

Said every despot in history.

'Wrong' choice and 'right' choice is just code for 'i am superior and everyone should agree with me'

I am all for vaccinations and struggle to comprehend most of the arguments against but I think making it compulsory to access education risks the anti vax community opting out of education.

As someone who works in early years education what would be handy is if certain key members of staff where aware which children aren’t vaccinated so they can be aware of symptoms and take precautions as needed for those children who are immunocompromised or have relatives at risk.

But that is not the case. They can still choose not to vaccinate, they just can't then send them to public school/nursery. This helps protect vulnerable individuals who can't be vaccinate for medical reasons.

Australia does this to and I think it's a good idea.

The NHS is also taxpayer funded and has to pick up the slack from all of the idiots that aren’t vaccinated.

I would be 100% in favour of this, OP.

You got it with the second sentence.

People who vaccinate their children are superior to anti-vaxxers. Vaccination is right and anti-vaxxers are wrong. 👍