Ozzy Osbourne - we shouldn't speak ill of the dead but has his domestic abuse and serial infidelity been glossed over in all the eulogies?

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Maybe because he was a rocker firm the 70s but it seems Ozzy's real character flaws have been warped into a 'charismatic hell raiser ' image to be admired.

In reality should we also be critical about his actions and views?

Sharon got with Ozzy when he was married to his first wife. She knew what she was getting into and accepted / forgave him so up to her really.

They’re not my cup of tea, but it is (was) up to her.

Absolutely, anyone who feels sorry for him needs their head checked. He was an abuser.

It’s a cheap shot. It’s easy to say whatever you want when someone can’t respond or change the offence.
It’s also poor form because the family friends left behind can do nothing anymore either.

No it shouldn’t but the point is why do people gloss over it until someone dies, then they bring it up or start a thread to talk about it. If people actually cared they’d do it whilst he’s alive. Instead they wait till he’s died so they can have a gossip

Some of you must really be hits at funerals - do you stand up in the middle of the eulogies and say, "But ..... but ..... but ......" Incidentally I don't recall any threads about Ozzy while he was alive, but once he's dead apparently he's fair game.

None of you can possibly know the dynamics of anyone's relationship, and for all his faults Sharon was still with him at the end.

In reality should we also be critical about his actions and views?

No, it's nothing whatsoever to do with any of you. When did we get to the stage where everyone thinks they "should be" critical of others (and also, what makes you think most of us are even interested in said criticism)?

Of course he did a lot of fucked up things, he spent most of his life off his face on acohol and drugs. It was only the last decade he was sober. Everyone knows this, he was no saint but Sharon and his family forgave him so its nobodys business.

The famous bat thing though, he always said he thought it was a fake bat.

Silly old man in a bad wig, I found him embarrassing.

One of those sad celebs that make you wonder who is impressed, and what the point of it all might be.

Funny, was talking to my kids about his death. They said they thought he would be a cool dad. I had just read that he admitted to not remembering his first two kids births because he was so drunk.
I said I didn't think he would be a great dad tbh.. so we got thinking... which rocker stars would be?

He was also abused. (Not an excuse of course, but maybe part of the reason).

A stupid, selfish and abusive addict who some people admired as a musician/singer.

Death doesn’t change my view of anybody.

All because Sharon seemed okay with the abuse (and many women on here are still with their abuser doesn’t make the abuse okay) what about the animal cruelty? And Jimmy Salville raised millions for charity, doesn’t make up for his wrongs.

I’m not really sure why someone cheating on their partner would be brought up when they die.

Thats for the partner to accept or not accept, as she stayed with him then she obviously accepted it.

I’ve heard Sharon has always been a lot more physically abusive towards him than her and it’s likely it was reactive abuse.

What couples do or put up with in their relationships is up to them.
Whether we thinks it’s acceptable or not makes no difference whether they’re alive or dead.

The animal cruelty is horrendous though and he should have been cancelled the minute the bay incident happened and not been allowed on TV/to perform ever again.

He was no saint but he was sexually abused as a child and grew up in poverty so must have been a bit fucked up from that. I used to enjoy watching the Osborne’s also don’t mind listening to a bit of black sabbath. Still feel a little sad about his death….he was an addict and not perfect

Why not? Do you become a saint when you die?

Hitler?
Jimmy Saville?
Fred and Rose West?

All should be spoken of kindly?

Rubbish, you’re a vile person alive or dead and it should be spoken about.

Not really arsed about him cheating on Sharon or their toxic, abusive relationship. They were as bad as each other. But I am thinking a lot about his children, particularly the ones from whom he is estranged, who will likely be feeling some very complex emotions currently. And also the mother of those kids he abandoned for Sharon who, in his own words, he "put through hell".

He should have been called out for the animal cruelty when he was alive. Pointless now.

Exactly and as @Coconutter24 said, if we people actually cared they would bring it up when they’re alive.

Where were the threads about all of this from these posters before he died.

Some people only pretend to care once someone has died and nothing can be done about it.

Im assuming if there had been a thread about him before he died people would have mentioned the animal cruelty. Yes, something should have been done. But I think people are commenting on the fact that when someone dies you just hear how wonderful they were and anything grim is glossed over. Again if you were his children from an earlier relationship who got treated badly, and all you can read about is how wonderful your dad was, that must be pretty galling

‘Not speaking ill of the dead’ is a pointless superstition that comes from the days people believed in ghosts and worried about being haunted. You don’t have to adhere to that these days unless you want to for your own reasons. Glorifying deceased people on the public record against the evidence of their lives is troubling to a lot of people so it seems fine to speak about it.

You didn't read my post properly.

It was not staged and it did happen. I watched it. Amongst all the dog shit lying around in the house and the out of control drugged up behaviour. You can't pretend to break a dogs neck.

I don’t get the idea of not speaking ill of the dead. I wouldn’t go out of my way to slag him off when he was alive or dead. But I also wouldn’t start praising him now he’s dead.

I don’t think the fact he raised a lot of money for charity cancels out the bad stuff. It certainly didn’t for Jimmy Savile.

I had the excuse it wasn’t me gov it was the alcohol, drugs whatever - stop blaming alcohol and accept how YOU behaved.

eg yes I shot 17 cats and nearly killed my wife but I was drunk (!)

If he had been in the news for any other reason which had triggered threads about him, I'm sure there would have been people saying the same things about the animal abuse. And people absolutely spoke out when these animal abuse claims were made public. Of course nobody was going to start a thread about Ozzy Osbourne being an animal abuser on a random Tuesday when the documented incidents happened years ago and he hadn't been in the press for ages.

Of course he did a lot of fucked up things, he spent most of his life off his face on acohol and drugs. It was only the last decade he was sober. Everyone knows this, he was no saint but Sharon and his family forgave him so its nobodys business

Did they forgive him? Or just Sharon and her famous LA kids? And possibly Louis. The children he all but abandoned, Jessica and Elliot, were not mentioned in the family statement at all.

I think the idea of not speaking ill of the dead is wise and dignified when it comes to little niggles, character flaws and irritants that didn't really matter greatly in the scheme of things.

As for the people asking why people are only now bringing these things up, I'm not casting any aspersions on Ozzy personally at all; but in some of the big far-reaching cases - where very famous and powerful people have done terrible things - their victims are often extremely frightened of repercussions (and/or of being framed as delusional and mentally ill), and can only feel reassured that they are safe and might be listened to once the perpetrator is dead.