Lucy Letby - what's happening

[Viviennemary]

In the last few days I've heard conflicting news stories. One an ex coroner saying she is innocent. And another piece of news saying the Cheshire police want to charge her with more crimes believed to have been carried out at two other hospitals she worked at.

I think the police / nhs are doubling down on her . Trying to secure prosecutions against others in relation to her and other potential cases they allege she may have been responsible for. She is going to rot in jail unfairly because they are trying to save face and cover up what really happened at a failing and dirty unit with low staff levels and overworked and in some cases incompetent doctors. It’s absolutely horrific as well for the poor families involved it’s bad enough to lose a child but to be misled that they were murdered when it’s medical negligence is cruel.

I wish they would stop for the sake of the parents and victims.

Of course they can't stop investigating if she is suspected of committing crimes at other hospitals.

I don’t mean stop investigating 🙄 It’s the nobodies coming forward with their opinion that needs to be stopped.

So don’t post on threads about her. For the sake of the parents and victims.

If the case is mentioned in the news I think its fair enough to discuss it. But different experts coming forward with different opinions is certainly confusing.

What's happened is that she was found guilty, after a long and complex trial, and is being investigated regarding the deaths of other babies. HTH

Then that should be the end of it. Yet it doesn't seem to be. For what it's worth I agree with you but still reports keep coming of another expert saying she is probably innocent.

I don’t think that should be the end of it. We have a rather long and depressing history of locking people up and doubling down for the greater good. Postmasters, the mothers of multiple children who died from cot deaths, Guildford 4, Birmingham 6 etc. I think there was a judge somewhere that opined that its better to let an innocent person stay in prison than grant an appeal which would cast doubt on the justice system.

It’s hard not to wonder what is going on. If there has been an unfair trial then it does matter.

I think she is innocent

I haven't followed/read about this much as I'm not medically trained.

To an outside eye the link appears to be tenuous but it's been through court 🤷‍♀️

That’s an absolute disgusting opinion. There’s nothing that casts more doubt on the justice system than innocent people being locked up for crimes they didn’t commit and judges like this keeping them locked up for the “good of the justice system”?!?!?

What's happening is not that unusual, as @Tiredofwhataboutery says - unfortunately miscarriages of justice aren't a rare enough thing. That means that, sadly, it's not possible to simply let this go in case parents are distressed. That's not how justice works.

What is unusual though in the speed with which doubts hit the media as soon as reporting restrictions were lifted, and in the quantity and eminence of the medical experts willing to work for Letby's defence for nothing. If you read this Guardian article, you'll get a good summary of their concerns.

You'll also see the argument that people just like to shrug this kind of thing off as a "conspiracy theory", but in this case, they're failing to take serious scientific expertise seriously.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/may/14/the-convictions-of-lucy-letby-should-they-be-overturned

Why are Chester police nonetheless pressing new charges? Well we have virtually no details yet, but since they stand by their initial investigation, and by extension their star expert witness, we can assume scientific rigour played no part in this decision. A reminder of the man they chose as their lodestar in all this:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/dec/20/my-kind-of-case-intense-focus-falls-on-lucy-letby-trial-expert-witness

Why is the coroner's officer coming forward with doubts now? Well, the Thirlwall Inquiry into what happened at Chester threw up lots of evidence, much of it published online, that wasn't available at the trial. So people involved in the events or with relevant expertise are reacting by reassessing the narrative and raising concerns.

There are a few threads running on this in and off already - perhaps the most active right now is at https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5185700-cheshire-police-are-an-incompetent-bunch-of-useless-bastards?page=7&reply=145744887

Yes - Lord Denning about the risk that court action would reveal that the Birmingham Six had been tortured by police:

"Denning said that it was inconceivable that the police misbehaved to such an extent that a wrongful conviction ensued: ‘If they [the Birmingham Six] won, it would mean that the police were guilty of perjury; that they were guilty of violence and threats; that the confessions were involuntary and improperly admitted in evidence; and that the convictions were erroneous… That was such an appalling vista that every sensible person would say, “It cannot be right that these actions should go any further”.’"

Unfortunately it seems that culture hasn't changed much: https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/features/an-appalling-vista/5066399.article

I think it’s dodgy at best. The documentary on it has experts actively willing to risk their career to say she isn’t guilty. I found it dubious and almost like a set up that they used the notes she wrote in court with no context. When it turns out her counsellor or psychiatrist recommended she write down her feelings or a diary or something as a way of processing what was happening to her. Then they took random phrases that made her look guilty and used it as evidence

Are you speaking for these parents and victims?

I’m fairly certain as a parent I wouldn’t want anyone to stop until I knew the truth.

I for one am happy the days of sweeping things under the carpet, burying heads, not asking questions, ignoring warning signs are coming to a head.

She isn't innocent, Lucy was rightfully convicted of a crime she committed.

It was also dubious, 3 of her senior managers in NHS quickly retired, one even moved away to France! They knew what was coming, they turned a blind eye and unfortunately babies died in Lucy's care.

These emails were made public in March 2025:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-30341313-26f6-448a-ba92-b397a802fbb9

In addition to this, 3 of her senior manager were arrested because doctors were asking them to investigate this and they even said to involve the police so they can do their job. Why would doctors voluntarily involve police? They knew something was going wrong. Dr Ravi Jayaram had racist comments thrown at him. Dr were accused of bullying the nurse, then forced to apologise.

Prosecutors want to charge her with more babies deaths, yet she's innocent? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yl273mlryo

People only want her "exonerated" because they can't believe a white blonde blue eyed woman did this and was relatively young. If it was a POC, there would be calls to deport and racist comments made. It's ultimately white privilege.

She also had an affair with married doctor....

None of these experts have access to the large amount of evidence presented in court, yet feel confident enough to doubt the verdict. Funny how none were called by the defence KC.

Some Letby supporters may have genuine concerns but to me it reeks of seeking publicity and contrarianism. And the same miscarriages of justice from decades ago are trotted out on every thread on this topic but personally I don't think they are relevant to such a recent conviction.

The first sentence is: The mother of one of Lucy Letby's victims has said families "already have the truth" about what happened to their children.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgre63r354o

The experts need to keep quiet because ultimately they don't have all facts of this case along with evidence and time line of what police/government/NHS are trying to achieve.

Couple weeks ago 3 of Lucy's senior managers/director etc were arrested. Now, they want to charge Lucy with more murders of babies. They're doubling down on her conviction from what it seems, making it clear she isn't innocent.

The emails released in March 2025 makes it clear, hence the senior managers got arrested. Doctors kept saying they were emailing senior management about their concerns, asking for police involvement but ultimately got told to shut up, stop bullying and apologise.

Can I ask one question if she's innocent, why were 3 of her senior management team arrested couple weeks ago for "Three former senior staff at the hospital where nurse Lucy Letby murdered seven babies and attempted to kill seven others have been arrested on suspicion of gross negligence manslaughter"? Genuine question.

Yep, Lord Denning said that in the Birmingham 6’s first appeal.

Also her trial lasted many many months and when taken together, the evidence of what she did was overwhelming (yes one or two cases could be attributed to natural causes, which is what she tried, but not this number). She is guilty. She is getting all this support because she looks like a nice middle class girl who wouldn’t hurt a fly. Her dad is a Freemason so who knows what contacts he has. Everyone who claims she is innocent doesn’t seem to have a concrete reason for that view - they just don’t think she did it and is being scapegoated to cover up hospital failings. It makes no sense because the hospital eventually reluctantly called the police in when they had no option but to. This was definitely not a situation where a failing unit needed to find a scapegoat. She is a killer and I hope she stays in jail for life.
Another nurse who swears blind he’s innocent is Ben Geen who was caught with a syringe full of the drug used to kill various elderly patients and was referred to by other staff as Ben Allitt. Obviously he’s guilty and so is Lucy Letby.

Everyone who claims she is innocent doesn’t seem to have a concrete reason for that view

That’s not true. There are quite a few reasons.

When I saw details of the statistical table I immediately thought of previous stats used to convict people like Sally Clark. The table was used by the prosecution and looks damning. But reading the details, it looks a lot like the Texas sharp shooter fallacy. They present a table showing she was present for all the deaths she’s accused of committing. Well of course, they can’t charge her with the other deaths which occurred when she wasn’t there. And there were a larger number of deaths than expected when she wasn’t on duty.

And it’s not just randos on the internet who are worried about how stats are presented. The royal statistical society has written a letter: https://rss.org.uk/news-publication/news-publications/2023/general-news/the-rss-writes-to-the-chair-of-the-lucy-letby-inqu/

The unit was a mess. It had hygiene issues and staffing issues. To give an example, an inquest for a newborn who died in 2014, a year before the deaths for which Letby was charged, found that doctors had inserted a breathing tube into the baby’s esophagus rather than his trachea, ignoring several indications that the tube was misplaced. That’s just one example but plenty of others.

The confession in the diary - when I heard this on the news it was presented as some hidden confession she’d written that had been found, but really she writes contradictory things on the same page. Plus, more importantly it was done as part of therapy. She was told to write down feelings etc.

No pattern to the supposed killings. Normally killers have a method but the deaths don’t have a connection.

A lot of the points supposedly against her on this thread don’t actually show guilt.