What’s the weirdest thing society accepts as normal?

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Cheese on a stick

If you were diabetic, would you refuse insulin? It's also a hormone replacement? Or thyroxin for an under active thyroid?

That’s not true. There was a brief period in history in the mid 20th century when middle class women didn’t work outside the home and this was held up as some sort of ideal. Working class or poor women have always worked, not always paid (eg working on the family farm) but they worked. It was certainly not the case in the past that most women got to spend lots more time with their children - quite the opposite.

I think that recommendation to continue to work is more from a place of needing financial security rather than because it’s easy or better for the mother at that moment.

If a married woman needs to get divorced, there is usually a massive financial impact, and the ability for the mother to earn an income is very important for her ability to provide for children.

I personally think that a part time job is ideal, one which allows a foot in the workplace to maintain seniority, but enough home time to be able to maintain a home. Who cares whether the father or mother is the part time one.

Exactly. The SAHM as some kind of ideal was a brief blip in social history. The idea of the workplace being entirely separate to, and preferably distant from, where you lived was a post-Industrial Revolution thing, where a man proved his genteel class credentials by both no longer ‘living above the shop’ but in some distant residential suburb, and by being able to afford to keep his wife and daughters at home in idleness. Before that, the world of work was much more separate to the home.

Children have no place in pubs.

Or maybe people could teach their children to behave.

This is a good point, but I just want to add that children worked too, whether it was a 5 yr old helping mind animals trailing after their Dad, a 10 yr old girl sent out to be a housemaid, or a pre teen boy sent down the mines. No one was idle until late teens, except maybe upper classes. Many girls stayed home with mothers working in the home, so they were with their parents but certainly not being played with or indulged, they were co workers. Same with boys accompanying their Dads to work.

I have heard that so many social problems with children or teenagers these days comes from a lack of purpose. They were a vital part of the workforce and valued in society (to the extent anyone was valued,) especially teens but now they are supposed to only think about what they are going to do when they get older, not as they are now. Even little kids used to have a function, polishing shoes or feeding chickens or whatever but now are not given any responsibility and it leads to poor behaviour and lack of confidence.

Wouldn’t silence have the same effect as white noise though? Why is the white noise negative? Genuine question.

I agree. I know kids aged 10 who can’t make themselves a sandwich and aren’t allowed to walk across the road to the shop. People on here continually infantilise “children” into their early 20s saying how awful it is to expect them to even lift a finger round the house or excusing their behaviour because they are young. Boys used to fight in wars at aged 14. Not that I’d want that but what we have now is not good.

Humans are the only species who go to bed when they are not tired and get up when they are still tired.
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They do at family friendly ones.

Speak for yourself. The best men are in touch with their emotional side making them empathetic. Read 'The Gate to Women's Country' has some interesting ideas around this. It's sci-fi but I could see it happening.

In my opinion, if it sends the baby off to sleep, then there is a possibility that the noise remains and becomes a habit, so that eventually it may become addictive, in the same way that sleeping pills for adults do.

If parents use one and find the baby cannot sleep without it, then addiction to white or any other noise has already set in.

If a baby needs a noise to go to sleep, why not the mother's heartbeat or speaking? I know we are human and not animals, but we could take a leaf out of their book when it comes to newborns. As soon as the calf, kitten or puppy is born it communicates with the mother's voice, so that the baby knows it's own mother in a herd, because, like human babies, the foetus knows the mother's voice and recognises it.

We don't sleep with our babies, but that doesn't make it normal, and being left alone may lead to insecurity. Why a white or any other noise, rather than the mother's own, recorded helps I don't know.

If the brain sorts out experiences of the day while we sleep, it puts them into perspective, and all is saved in the brain cells in that part of the brain responsible for whatever experience. That means the sound of the voices around the baby are stored forever and memory is created. No one knows if the recordings of white noise take anything away from the baby and replaces it with meaningless noise, because the jury is still out on that one, but instinct tells me not to do that.

I may be wrong. I am not infallible. It is just my opinion. Viva la difference!

If a quiet life for the parents is more important than the memories stored in their infant's brain, then they have a right to that peace and quiet, and who am I to deny it? I wouldn't, but then I loved to read the bedtime stories to my children. They were reading and writing before they started in kindergarten at 4.

There is emotional and EMOTIONAL though my moms partner is always verging on tears and drama and upset but it's very manipulative like today ive seen him he has run away from me (long story about him not respecting people's boundaries) ive done nothing but in about an hour he will go home to my mother and be "devastated" and "in tears" he will then get drunk get abusive and she will message me about how it's all my fault and I need to apologise

I've done nothing to the man except say no

It's just my opinion of my own experience. I never felt exploited by my faith. I certainly felt protected, and Sunday was always my favourite day, because my friends were in church and I liked their company.

That is what faith is all about. If you are dominated and exploited by a group of people, you just avoid them.

Jesus told his band of 72 he sent out to tell people the good news: ''If anyone in a house is rude or nasty to you, leave, shake the dust of the house off your shoes and never go there again.''

When he arose from the grave, it was to a woman - Mary - that he showed himself to first.

I have to add to that 'Sunday was' by explaining that I was made disabled and cannot go to church physically any more.

It will be interesting to see today's news about the case of the 15 year old who killed his family, and who is appealing on whether it was emotion or anger.

Hi @llizzie
I'm so sorry that you can't get to church any longer. Can you access services on YouTube? I can recommend 3 different churches......

Absolutely re the working week. It's too long. I've been lucky enough recently to be able to afford to drop to a 4-day week, but I think it should be standard. I honestly think productivity would be better.

I don't have a leg to stand on re makeup though, I spend far too much on it!

That people fawn over royal families.

That there are people because of being born into enormous wealth that never do the things that most of us do, such as go to the shop and buy milk, or get the bus into town or take a low cost airline flight.

Airport security - all the fuss for millions of people on millions of flights because a small minority might attack sometime.

Couldn't agree more re royal families, especially the way some people seem fascinated by the day-to-day lives of these people they don't know from Adam, I just can't fathom it. Nor can I fathom why one human being would ever bow or curtsey to another human being. They aren't our 'betters', they burp, fart and go to the toilet just like we do, and we shouldn't have to bend any part of our body just because we happen to be in their vicinity.

Glad I got that off my chest.

Thank you for your kind words. I can access services. I can have communion at home, but it might be one of my no swallowing days which pay surprise visits, and my voice is affected by my neurological condition so sometimes the responses are a bit difficult to say.

You know I am comforted by the fact that Jesus said ''When you pray, don't stand in the street and make a spectacle of yourself. Go up to your private room and speak to God, and your Father who hears you in secret will reward you.'' I think that must comfort the blind, deaf and dumb too, who may feel they cannot reach God. Christianity is a one-to-one religion, and it is the relationship we have with God that is important, and following his teaching.

Contractors and trades not turning up when they are fucking supposed to and in the case of social housing lying that they did and that the tenant denied access.

But, given the article that I heard on the radio today about "how unfair it is that women end up with smaller workplace pensions than men" there is a level of entitlement that is hurting the cause.

For sure, complain that women are expected to work on days when they're hurting - even campaign that they should be allowed 4 days off a month more than men or post-menopause women, but someone will then come along and complain about the gender pay gap, or the pension pay gap, because women's average incomes will drop.

So, perhaps the fact that you recognise that these things, and taking time out for children should be personal choices that women have agency over is a really good thing. Provided that others accept that in making those choices there are sacrifices that happen elsewhere in their lives.