What time do you think Rachel will hand in her notice tomorrow?

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I think if it's not in already tonight then it will be before 10am tomorrow.

How do we know that she does not have a personal matter or had some upsetting news and was trying to hold it together for the sake of her position? Her face for me was one of a woman under extreme upset from a personal matter as opposed to being caused by her job.

Her sister was outside the commons waiting for her and comforted her.

So maybe it genuinely was personal.

Anyway, this and other threads are depressing to read in terms of misogyny.

No one referred to Jeremy Hunt as just "Jeremy" when he was chancellor, and few people questioned his qualifications (PPE degree).

she won't.
she's too ambitious.

He was also a multi millionaire and successful , international businessman.

I hope she stays

Maybe she’s got other stuff going on in her life?
Should we be gleeful about another woman’s distress?

I get your point but we did refer to Rishi (who was Chancellor too) and Boris.

I did challenge "Rachel from accounts" but apparently it is partly to do with her exaggerating about her qualifications as much as is about sexism.

If there is personal stuff she shouldn’t have gone and a clear statement should have been issued. Our first female chancellor crying in the commons is unfortunately a gift to misogynists.

I can imagine you at work OP.
"Ooh look Carol's crying.....I don't care why, but let's take bets on when she'll resign or get the push, teehee".

But she’s not just at work! She’s the chancellor - she has accepted the second most important job in the country!!! She’s in public office!!

I found it extremely uncomfortable and felt very sorry for Rachel Reeves yesterday when it was obvious she was crying and upset.
I've been upset at work in the past and struggled to hold it together, for professional and personal reasons.
Didn't have millions looking at me thankfully.
Maybe people should have a bit of empathy Instead of being nasty.

There is definitely gloating.

Maybe the right thing is for her to go (I dont know, Im avoiding the news right now) but why are people so happy to see a woman cry?

Regardless of the reason, it is never nice to see someone in distress.

Her crying will not reduce the impact of welfare changes on some people.

If Rachel worked for me I would be asking her if she had any annual leave left because a holiday may be a good idea. Crying at work isn't and shouldn't be a big deal. I have cried at work, through frustration or exhaustion or because of a personal matter. Every one is a human and we all feel big emotions. It's not a resigning matter. Have a rest, have a recharge and crack on.

And she is also human too.

We’ve seen clips of Kate Middleton get emotional. Do you also think she should step down as a royal?

Or when the Welsh First Minister cried?

I’ll wait for you and others on this thread to show me your posts calling for resignation of those two as well.

Some people are so nasty to other women just for the sake of it.

So? Imagine having to deal with millions of people rubbing their hands in glee over the fact that emotions got the better of you when you may, or may not (because none of us know the full story), be going through something deeply upsetting in your personal life. She may have found out her H was having an affair, a close family member might have a terminal illness, etc, or it could be job related. As I said nobody knows for sure why she was so upset and, until we do (if we do), then threads like this are in extremely poor taste IMO.

OP is that you Kemi? Typical nasty behaviour, no compassion.

I found Kemi’s mean girl performance absolutely sickening yesterday. The irony too, she hasn’t got long either.

The trouble is that when the chancellor of the exchequer cries on national tv it pushes up the cost of government borrowing ( and the cost of that is astronomical already). Look at what happened when Liz Truss caused the borrowing cost to rise.
Government ministers have to behave in a professional and unemotional way at all times in public.

Are the foundations fixed?

She was so smug last year when announcing how she was going to save the economy and yet nothing she does actually goes the way she's says it going to. And now she's crying in parliament like a big wet blanket.

I doubt she'll go, they're all a bit too stupid for that.

THANK YOU! The issue isn't that men / male leaders don't cry in public. They absolutely do. The issue is how their tears are interpreted by society.

It's a quite commonly acknowledged problem with the perception of various outward signs of emotions.

Angry / loud men are considered strong and passionate. Women are considered naggy, overly emotional, overwhelmed or hysterical.

Crying men are applauded for their empathy and emotions. Crying women are considered weak or overwhelmed...

Women are allowed to smile. They'll be penalised for displaying most other kinds of emotions.

Why should she go? A better target for removal would be McSweeney. Not exactly covered himself in glory inside No 10 has he.

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Mixed feelings on this. On the one hand, we need more humanity and less spin in politics but on the other hand, whether it’s right or wrong, the worst thing a woman can do at work, is cry. The vultures start to circle and all the ‘we knew she was never up to the job’ murmurings begin.

RR (as Kemi B said) does just seem to be a human shield for poor leadership so she’s probably taken way more body slams that she should have. But at the same time, her proposals (or whoever was pulling the strings) have caused a huge amount of heartache for employers (NI costs have near crippled some businesses), not to mention farmers, the elderly and some of our most vulnerable. A person with moral courage would have said, ‘no, I’m not putting my name to this’.

If she’s had a family/private issue that has caused so much distress, it would have been far better (despite the optics) to have not been in the HOC. I think people would have accepted ‘a family emergency’ as a reason not to be there.

To answer the OP, I think for a woman in politics, this is not survivable.

Comparing this drip to Churchill is funny.

Agreed, I’m disappointed someone thought this was an appropriate topic for a thread. We should support women in these positions, not tear them down.