What time do you think Rachel will hand in her notice tomorrow?

[Neverendingwashingbasket]

I think if it's not in already tonight then it will be before 10am tomorrow.

I am no fan of Labour (feeling a bit party-less at the moment). But gleeful speculation like this is disgusting. She was clearly deeply upset, and it’s been confirmed that it was over a personal matter.

I can't relate to your misogynistic glee OP

Yes, crying in the House will confirm to men that women can't hack it at the sharp end.

If she chooses to resign I hope she lets Starmer have both barrels in her letter and releases it to the media . She's a very popular MP back home.

What a nasty thread to start, OP. Are you pleased with yourself?

There is nothing shameful about trying to deal with the bloated benefits system where many who can work choose not to. As a tax payer for over 40 years I've had enough.

Labour need to decide who they are a party for, workers or shirkers. They can't be both.

What an unpleasant thread. Why the gleeful tone?

The markets don’t want her to go. she’s clearly doing something right.

www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2l99eegzpo

I’m afraid this is what I feel. It is unimaginable that a male chancellor would sit crying in the Commons and leave holding the hand of their sibling. There will be so many men whose misogynistic attitudes will be bolstered by this. I feel very sorry for RR and hope she is OK but can’t help feeling she’s really let the cause of women in positions of authority down.

Why is whether someone cries or not a good indicator of their competence of lack thereof?

Could this myth possibly have come about because women tend to cry more easily than men do you think?

As far as I recall, Liz Truss, in cohoots with Kwasi Kwarteng, produced a mini budget that cost the economy £30 million and she was dry eyed and completely unrepentant.

Nice rock you have there!!

I don't. She was all puppy eyes st KS today, lapping up his BS, giving KB as goid as she got. KS will throw her a bond & keep her around to deflect the 💩 from hitting him & gyros her under a bugger bus when his position is looking at risk!!

I think she will ride it out a bit because it’s a very bad look on Starmer given the way he didn’t show any sympathy when she was crying in parliament it’s not a good look if she is kicked out the next day even though he wants to or was planning to.

Just because men behave in a certain way at work doesn’t mean that women have to emulate them in every detail does it? Or vice versa?

What is crying anyway? A short-lived release of tension that causes the eyes to produce tears? How does that impact on RR’s intellect and competence? It doesn’t tbh, unless they indicate that she is under too much stress, for other reasons , to do the job. But it’s the underlying reasons as to why she is upset, that are important, not the tears per se. You can cry tears of happiness for example.

Where has being cold and unemotional all of the time got us anyway?

You have to have rhinoceros-thick skin to survive in the HoC nowadays and the macho culture that permeates the place, especially during PMQs is partially responsible for the poor quality politicians we have currently who are tungsten hard without any kindness, humanity or decency among them. So what if RR cried? She just demonstrated that she is a human being and that’s hardly the crime of the century.

I agree totally. Unfortunately though it will feed into many men’s preconceptions that women are weak and not fit for tough roles.

Because whether you agree or not, the money markets and inward investment are attracted by a UK team that speaks professionalism, competence and expertise.

Openly weeping in the front bench does not exude confidence. Investors will not risk their cash in an economy run by someone who looks like they are falling apart and whose policies have been shunned by her own colleagues..

I'm sorry she is so low and tired, I don't mean to be harsh, but those are the facts.

And quite apart from anything else, she's obviously exhausted and needs to take a break for the sake of her own health.

Nasty, nasty thread, @Neverendingwashingbasket

Saying her resignation would be cut and run is further unpleasant speculation.

Shame on you.

Let's give her a good kicking. God forbid we show humanity.

Whatever the reason for the tears (and let’s face it most of us have had a time when tears have overwhelmed us at one time or another), I was more concerned with Badenoch’s low blow reaction. I despise the braying mob in Parliament - if kids acted like that in the classroom they would be excluded.

Maybe she suddenly had a conscience and realised the amount of hurt and damage she had been trying to inflict on innocent people?

I know....
Whenever I watch it, I can't believe these are adults in charge of a country.

You don’t need to imagine it. Here is just one well-known occasion when Winston Churchill wept publicly. I chose this one because it was in the House and mentions the Treasury benches. I could have picked lots of other occasions, many of them far less serious or stressful than announcing a bombing - for example, he cried when the Canadian RAF band played ‘Rule, Britannia’ during his 1952 visit. Not once did anyone call for his resignation as a result. Quite the opposite, in fact: he was commended for his empathy. Neither did anyone say he’d let the cause of men in positions of authority down.

On 4 July 1940 Churchill cried after the House of Commons applauded his decision to sink the French fleet at Oran. “When Churchill finished his speech and sank into his seat,” recorded the Soviet ambassador Ivan Maisky, “the whole House, irrespective of party affiliation, jumped to its feet and applauded the prime minister for several minutes—a loud, powerful and unanimous ovation. Sitting on the Treasury bench, the tension draining from his body, Churchill lowered his head and the tears ran down his cheeks.” It was a strong, stirring scene. “At last we have a real leader!” was the cry echoing through the lobbies.
(Source: The International Churchill Society)

I found the lack of concern from her own colleagues completely chilling.

I hope for her sake (and ours) she resigns - we’ve been saying for months that she’s a ‘10 years younger’ in reverse!
RR/her team/government have made many absolutely crazy decisions starting with the winter fuel allowance up to this latest fiasco.
It’s not worth your health Rachel and KS is not on your side either.