Why is everyone so angry at Labour?

[18thday]

From what I understand they tried to cut (essential) benefits and put the money somewhere else. And what happened was labour MPs got angry, threat of resulting poverty in the population etc. So labour backtracked.

My questions are

1. they backtracked so doesnt that mean they get it?

B) weren't they trying to find money to fill a hole that must be filled?

C) How else could have they raised the money? High taxed- bad people get very annoyed NHS cant handle more cuts.

I'm guessing they thought that forcing people off benefits would stimulate the economy by forcing people 'back into work'.

That is why the system is fucked.

The tax-payer isnt there to fund your holiday...

You will never understand how blessed you are

I havent got any savings now as I have used mine, supported by PIP to get my house adapted and safer for me to use. Any holidays I have are spent in this country, subsidised by my parents as we all go together.

I have very little chance of getting another job if I lose the one I have unless I can wfh or its a taxiable travel distance from my house. I have to have months of work every year.

I do need PIP. My life would be seriously impacted if I lose it.

Are you trying to make me and others like me feel guilty for this? You're angry at the wrong people.

Anyway im of to bed as some of us have work tomorrow and cant spend all night arguing with ableist posters

For me Labour were the party that cared about the elderly, sick and disabled. They don’t though. Huge disappointment from me.

No. You're defensive because you think this is about you. I dont know you. I'm not asking you to justify your PIP. You take every post as if its directed at you.
It's directed at a system that is being abused. There are millions of people claiming PIP. Many abuse it.

By reforming the system, people who need PIP can be awarded it without conversations like this.

I don’t think there’s any evidence that the rise in pip claimants is due to older mothers having children with disabilities.

I don’t think children get PIP anyway.

Goodnight Alexa

Ofc they care. They also have government to run and there is no money for essential things. So they've taken a look and found things to cut. No one wants that job but it has to be done.

This comment was to Lion not to you. Their comment was very much directed at me

Is that you Rachael?

Well exactly. I don't care if this is unpopular. I don't believe none of those are capable of working.

That's becoming a narrative that everyone with anxiety and depression have a get out of jail free card. The they're never able to be accountable for themselves that they can never take any steps at all to work.

The same is true of neurodiversity. There's a growing narrative that they're never able to be accountable. I can't make any adjustments whatsoever. This is especially true of the level ones and the self diagnosed.

There is a difference between those whose mental health and neurodiversity significantly impair their lives and those whom with a bit of support, theyd be able to work.

You can work and claim PIP

Why have you given me a ChatGPT response?

Labour did things that weren’t in their election manifesto, cutting disability benefits and ending the winter fuel allowance. Labour are the party we’d usually expect to flight for and support the lower paid working class, people on just a state pension, those who are unable to work for health reasons and people who are looking for work which pays enough to support their family. They did quite the opposite and expecting the poorest people in our nation to fix the public finances in this manner is not acceptable. That’s why I’m raging at them.
Then there’s the justice inconsistencies we’ve seen. Authoritarian conduct from the PM and plain refusal to listen to the general public.

I don't understand why they are going after the disabled rather than the general unemployed

Completely agree with you. It all become self fulfilling because we give them money, getting a job becomes a choice so it then becomes a bigger thing. We need to cut the cord and get these people back into work. Constructive use of time is a positive for many's mental health.

So maybe tax payers also think their wages are theirs and don't want to pay for handouts for folk perfectly capable of paying for themselves.

24% of working age population claim some kind of disability benefit. When it is 1 in 4 I think you reach the point where a fair number of "disabilities" are just the normal range of human ability which people live with rather than needing special treatment. The percentage of people claiming disability benefits is higher than that claiming unemployment benefits.

But some on disability DO work. PIP helps with that in some cases.

Yeap and some on disability DO work and use PIP to pay for fine wine. Does my friend whose CEO of a successful family business really need extra support? or should we accept that some (not all) people are able to be self-sufficient even through they have a disability. We need to bring the bill down.

So what income would you bring it down to?

PIP enables me to try and live a normal life as I can. I dont buy fine wine

But you must appreciate that not all disabled people who get PIP are in minimum wage jobs, many are very well paid. I had an IT business where half the developers where ND and wouldn't leave the house due to anxiety/depression but didn't stop them earning £750 a day from their bedrooms - they were good at the job just it was unpredictable when the work was done.

Isn't unemployment benefit the bare minimum to live on?