1,000 new PIP claims per day?

[flashbac]

Is this true? (From someone who is naturally cynical of government info.)

If it is, is there something else behind the statistic? Is it because people have to reapply or something like that?

This is from the government website:

"Monthly PIP awards have more than doubled since the pandemic, rising from 13,000 to 34,000 - a rate of around 1,000 new claims per day, or the population of Leicester every year."

I find the statistic unbelievable.

I do feel that for physically healthy people a government jobs guarantee would be good. Not welfare but working

NHS support is slow to non existent for many issues.

covid happened and long terms effects for some people

mh support is dire/non existent

send support in schools is dire.

all will have a knock on effect and pip will probably increase even more in years to come.

There's no point cutting pip if we don't fix the issues around why so many now need to claim it.

Hes never had an assesment

You can't be an appointee for another adult without an assessment.

i had a telephone appointment, my point is that i have never been asked to prove anything! I could be lying through my teeth ( im not) for all they know.

Trouble is that tax rates would rise enormously to fund the UBI, so people wouldn't be incentivised to work, especially in hard/unpopular jobs, as they'd probably lose over half their wages to tax!

What for though? There's quite a big difference between claiming for something like asd vs cancer or cerebral palsy etc

There could be some kind of "incentive" for employers to hire people who were on PIP etc. Say something like 50% PIP to the employer and 50% PIP to the employee for say 6-12 months, with a guarantee of the employee going back onto full PIP if the job doesn't work out. Make it easy and risk free for the PIP claimant to "try out" a job, and pay the employer something towards the additional costs of training, special equipment, supervision etc for a limited time to reduce their risk too!

Say you know nothing about PIP without saying you know nothing about PIP.

The worker would be getting a wage too, so they'd be earning more than the PIP they'd be losing to help cover the additional costs they'd incur such as taxis if necessary.

It's just a suggestion. We need carrot rather than stick if we want people back to work, both for employers and the benefit claimant.

There could be some kind of "incentive" for employers to hire people who were on PIP etc. Say something like 50% PIP to the employer and 50% PIP to the employee for say 6-12 months, with a guarantee of the employee going back onto full PIP if the job doesn't work out. Make it easy and risk free for the PIP claimant to "try out" a job, and pay the employer something towards the additional costs of training, special equipment, supervision etc for a limited time to reduce their risk too!

@Badbadbunny PIP isn't an out of work benefit

You can claim pip alongside other benefits, if you're earning 10k a year or if you're earning £1billion a year.

PIP is not an out of work benefit. People on PIP who are not working will, in most cases, still be on PIP if they get a job.

It's just a suggestion. We need carrot rather than stick if we want people back to work, both for employers and the benefit claimant.

Which may be relevant if you were talking about an out-of-work/income replacement benefit. Not PiP.

So why are you applying fir your son if he's getting PIP then he can apply for himself.

As many people above have mentioned, the vast majority of PIP claimants ARE out of work. Just because you don't need to be doesn't mean that no one is. Obviously some kind of "back to work" incentive wouldn't affect the MINORITY of PIP claimants who are already in work!

The existing PIP scheme does nothing to help/incentivise a prospective employer to take on a disabled person.

It would not affect their PIP anyway, as PIP IS NOT AN OUT OF WORK BENEFIT. If they got jobs, they would still be on PIP. Because they are still disabled and entitled to PIP when at home etc.
There are separate schemes such has Access to Work, which is help with adaptions at work.

Why the hell would my former employer (now retired) need an incentive from my PIP to employ me? For the umpeenth time, PIP IS NOT AN OUT OF WORK BENEFIT.

The additional costs of employing someone who needs reasonable adjustments comes from Access to Work anyway.

The existing PIP scheme does nothing to help/incentivise a prospective employer to take on a disabled person

That is because PIP is nothing to do with work.

Thank you! Was hoping someone else had picked up on this.

By autumn 2020, public health professionals were forecasting long-term economic repercussions of the pandemic. It was already clear that Covid can cause system-wide damage affecting multiple organs, as well as the extended post-viral syndrome we're calling Long Covid.

Plus, of course, there were mental health impacts from widespread trauma, lockdown effects, unemployment and derailed life plans.

The general reluctance to face this - government included - is strange.

Jesus fucking christ.

ASD, ADHD, OCD, ODD, Asthma and partial deafness

Just stop. Deary me.

Every autistic person is completely different so your question is impossible to answer I'm afraid.

I have a friend who has been awarded it for 4 years and is completely functioning just has bpd. Literally no reason for him to have it. He admits this.

Why are we paying parents with mildly autistic kids. More support would be better. Is this not an actual incentive for people to get diagnoses like this.

Sick of reading about it while I work away just to survive. When I'm driving for work I see loads of people just wandering about buying shit in working hours. Many of them look like theyre on the dole.

The whole system is completely uncontrolled and fucked up.

You wouldn’t be able to claim PIP if your condition only affects you mildly. PIP criteria is not based on diagnosis, it’s based on how your condition affects you and the bar is fairly high.

That was the kind of thing I was thinking of, the physio.

More to help lessen the mental load of constantly having to think about absolutely everything all the time, and working it all out.

I imagine that some people having gone through the process of claiming and all the stress that entails would appreciate part of the claim being presented to them as set things rather than having to think about everything themselves.

Particularly people with poor executive functioning.