1,000 new PIP claims per day?

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Is this true? (From someone who is naturally cynical of government info.)

If it is, is there something else behind the statistic? Is it because people have to reapply or something like that?

This is from the government website:

"Monthly PIP awards have more than doubled since the pandemic, rising from 13,000 to 34,000 - a rate of around 1,000 new claims per day, or the population of Leicester every year."

I find the statistic unbelievable.

We would love more support for our child. We have been begging for support for years. We have got nowhere.
Been told the one support we do get (DLA) should stop isn't at all helpful and if it stops it won't be replaced with actual support that child needs it just stops and leaves families like ours to drown.
DLA goes keep us slightly afloat

Yes, I get that. The thing is, that you filled in the form, supplied a Consultant name/ address, and had an assessment. Because of your Son's condition they may be aware of the Consultant you listed, whether they contacted them, or not, and have awarded your Son, on the strength of all of what you have provided, and what you said. It is a lot of work to do all of this, on your part. I personally would not be inclined to go through all of that trouble to try to claim fraudulently.

"mildly Autistic" kids aren't getting pip. Have you seen the criteria?

For an autistic person, attending university can be much more difficult than it is for s neurotypical.person, the struggle with communication, sensory issues, trying to process all the learning, to name just a few issues.
This can take a massive toll and leave them unable to function in other areas, such as travel and doing anything before or after classes. It can lead to meltdowns, shutdowns and breakdowns.
We should be celebrating that some Autistic people make it through Uni, and be glad that support is available.
Some will then manage work afterwards, but again may not be able to travel in rush hour, if at all, or cope with other aspects of life alongside it, so still need support.

The percentage of found benefit fraud is just above 2%, that 6.5 billion. The defence budget is something like 50 billion. Thats an extraordinary amount in absolute terms.

Aren't unclaimed benefits something in the region of around £12 billion p.a.?

People are saving the government a lot of money!

If disability were defined as being so stupid that one cannot comprehend that PIP is not an out of work benefit despite someone stating this fact pretty much every third post, the numbers claiming would be at least double what they are. Thankfully stupidity is not a disability.

For the challenged, New Style ESA and / or Universal Credit are the out of work benefits (or for those who are unable to work full-time). Access to work is the fund that supports reasonable adjustments for employers needing support to employ people with disabilities.

And anyone who knows some who is claiming PIP (or any other benefit) fraudulently should have the courage of their keyboard convictions and report them. Although bearing in mind the number of people who claim totally impossible things, that number is a lot fewer than it would appear.

I think it's the internet and social media.

I had no idea that either of my two would have been entitled to PIP but having red lots of information on the internet I realise that they probably would have. Dd is seriously thinking of applying but the new stricter rules would probably preclude her.

Surely 70% are successful at tribunal, not 70% of unsuccessful claimants are going to tribunal?

My daughter has severe adhd. As does my husband. When my daughter had cancer we were advised by clic to claim DLA for her. We didn’t as we didn’t really need the money and I felt that it was something for people that needed additional help from the state. Our incomes (although high) are now much more squeezed than ever, we don’t qualify for any childcare help, will need to fully top up student loans, no child benefit etc etc and the more it is reported on that others are receiving non means tested benefits for the same diagnosis you start to consider if you should claim too. Whilst we haven’t claimed I bet there is a lot of people (across all income brackets) that claim because they see others have been successful for similar ailments.

Scrub that, apparently it's £23 Billion.

Missing out 2024: £23 billion of support is unclaimed each year | Policy in Practice https://share.google/sVRsDQgsKw5Zt3w6L

Again it's how the disability impacts a person not wether they have a disability, so if a person can cook ,clean care for themselves independently and undertake a journey from At to B independently than they are unlikely to qualify.

All of the above have been issues at various times.

They are if the parents exaggerate.
Seen it firsthand.

Getting 700 a month for an iPad addicted 5 yr old to spend on Temu and Shein crap

They won't be getting PIP it will be DLA

Some unfit due to age in manual jobs, too old.
Anxiety/ depression, some progressive stuff like myself, I tremor, less dexterity with mid stage Parkinson’s at 63, can’t work.
Anxiety and depression can be fixed in lots of cases, tho counselling and meds may be needed for some, providing that support may be difficult.
The current system fails to take into account age related stuff by higher pension age, add in people awaiting operations that may solve their issues.
The bigger picture is symptoms and causes

They are if the parents exaggerate.
Seen it firsthand

Getting 700 a month for an iPad addicted 5 yr old to spend on Temu and Shein crap

You've never seen "firsthand" anyone getting 700 a month in PIP for a 5 year old as 5 year olds are not entitled to PIP

If you're going to start demanding cuts to benefits at least have the first clue about them ffs.

Google suggests that tax avoidance/refusal/fraud loses the country over £35 billion per year. That they know of.

Why the constant fuss, distrust and accusations over PIP, every single day, over and over. Why not go after the utter scumbags who find every loophole they can to avoid paying tax? Why not accuse them? Boycott their businesses? Why go for disabled people? It certainly suits the government and their rich pals, and too many fall for it.

PIP is for adults. It is harder (as in the bar is higher) to qualify than DLA which is for children. I wonder if it would help to think about it in terms of minimum wage. Basically if you can’t work because of disability the maximum you could take home is less than the sort of job you get the summer you leave school. You can’t honestly think that’s too much? These are adult people with bills.

To get that amount they would be getting high rate mobility, and to get high rate mobiity for autisn it would come under either severe mental impairment, or virtually unable to walk both of which cant be faked, and both woukd require professionsl evidence to back such aa school that witness it
So i call bullshit .

I think the comparisons to minimum wage, whilst I get why you use it, just add to the confusion that PIP is an out of work benefit.

Any comparison to minimum wage should be done on ESA or UC.

Scope's research shows that the average cost of being disabled is £1000 a month.
That's what PIP should be being compared with to help people understand it.

www.scope.org.uk/campaigns/extra-costs/disability-price-tag-2023

www.scope.org.uk/campaigns/disability-price-tag-2024

Last years one

To get that amount they would be getting high rate mobility, and to get high rate mobiity for autisn it would come under either severe mental impairment, or virtually unable to walk both of which cant be faked, and both woukd require professionsl evidence to back such aa school that witness it
So i call bullshit .

It's bullshit because 5 year olds can't get PIP in the first place

Yeah i know it would be DLA
People always claim to know somone getting PIP /DLA for reason and then come out wuth absolute shite.

And whilst I am not advocating it at all - there are far more fit and healthy unemployed (roughly 1.47 million unemployed of which 329,000 working-age disabled people were unemployed (and actually the number of disabled people registered as unemployed has been falling). If they cannot get the fit and healthy into work, how are they going to get the disabled into work, and why the focus on those unemployed AND disabled?

While we are on the subject of "who else" (and again, not advocating it) why are we focussing on disabled people who "don't need" help (in whoever's opinion that is) - what about all the free childcare for people who don't even go to work??? If you aren't going to go to work why do you need the state to pay for childcare?

And more importantly, why is the "what-iffery" and "what-aboutery" always about people with disabilities? You could save far more money getting the fit and healthy unemployed into work, and stopping free childcare for people who aren't working.

And this year's has just been announced https://www.scope.org.uk/campaigns/disability-price-tag