1,000 new PIP claims per day?

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Is this true? (From someone who is naturally cynical of government info.)

If it is, is there something else behind the statistic? Is it because people have to reapply or something like that?

This is from the government website:

"Monthly PIP awards have more than doubled since the pandemic, rising from 13,000 to 34,000 - a rate of around 1,000 new claims per day, or the population of Leicester every year."

I find the statistic unbelievable.

But she does. I know it is his money, but according to rest of family, not a penny is used on him. There is no way the system is able to monitor what parents spend the money on.

But she doesn't.

PIP is a benefit that can only be claimed by, or for, adults. It cannot be claimed by children.

Stories full of misinformation like this are really unhelpful, and borderline dangerous as it pours unnecessary fuel on the fire.

If people are going to demand changes to a system then they should at least have basic knowledge of said system and its criteria.

Also, let’s say that story was true (we all know it isn’t but leave that aside).

should a family neglecting their child’s needs, be the template for the rest of society? None can have help with the cost of disabilities because one family use it all to buy takeaways (for themselves and give none to the child).

It is not disinformation, the thread was about PIP so it was in my head rather than DLA. The fact remains that many parents claim DLA for children that are not costing them more than any other child,( as the extra expense dies not need to be evidenced) and this behaviour puts at risk the availability of DLA for parents of profoundly disabled kids who really need the extra income. We need benefits to be generous and available for those in most need.

I understand. I know it’s harder to see compared to more physical conditions.

Currently, due to the shortage in ADHD medication, and some providers just refusing to provide it at all, many have to pay for private providers to administer their medication.

For those who have had to go private for their diagnosis, unless their GP accepts shared care (which is more or less non existent now) they will never receive medication on the NHS, so have to find the money for these medications. Being medicated helps some with ADHD function optimally.

Some might use it to pay for ongoing therapy or counselling.

It is not disinformation, the thread was about PIP so it was in my head rather than DLA. The fact remains that many parents claim DLA for children that are not costing them more than any other child,( as the extra expense dies not need to be evidenced) and this behaviour puts at risk the availability of DLA for parents of profoundly disabled kids who really need the extra income. We need benefits to be generous and available for those in most need.

Claims on a thread about PIP about the parents of an 11 year old misusing it absolutely are disinformation.

Exactly the same as the earlier claims about the PIP being claimed for 5 year olds being spent on iPads.

It's as relevant to a PIP thread as discussing an appointee misusing Attendance allowance. It has nothing to do with PIP or the possible changes to PiP.

I politely refer you to Wikipedia. Is it my fault you haven't studied the monarchy and Parliament?

On what do you suppose British law is based?

That's as maybe but people with severe and enduring mental illness have always been able to claim disability benefits I started my nurse training in 93

It isn't a fact that 'many' parents claim DLA for children that are not costing them more than any other child.

Keep in mind that if you want to complicate DLA even more by making parents justify what they spend that it would also affect those you deem to be most in need and also make life even more harder for them.

The vast majority of parents spend the DLA money on their child because the vast majority of parents want what is best for their child and going through the DLA process is far from easy or simple.

I don't think this is the care, @Lavatime My DD suffered badly from anorexia and received PIP - we had significant additional costs going to visit her miles away and I had to quit work for a while to care for her.. While in a Unit she was diagnosed with autism. She has worked really hard to recover and done well, so she told the DWP that her circumstances had changed and gave them details of her autism diagnosis and her meds for depression. Pip was stopped immediately - rightly in her and my opinion.

You know, I have a dimmer switch on my eyes and I don't want your caustic posts to be the last thing I read, so I will ignore them.

There is too much to enjoy in life without all that.

The total bill for DLA is less that the total bill for child benefit (obviously some children get both).

<y best carers are immigrants - the legal kind, who apply in the approved way.

I do understand that and I feel for you. I have 20 items on my repeat and they are not always successful

Because the government is out of it's depth and is trying to save money to pay the billions those who choose to come to Britain by sea instead of applying through the proper channels and not through the English one, hundreds each day.

It also masks the fact that the NHS is failing to provide adequate services to the public who have no choice but to use them. The government are telling us that they are giving lots of money to the NHS and the service will improve in time. After all these years, it would not need improving, not with the money paid into it in national insurance. It is not a free NHS. It has never been a free NHS. It was considered to be available when needed. They cannot even say that now.

I would imagine that statistics when studied will show the rise in benefit claimants pretty well equal to the failures of the NHS in waiting times and treatment.

Do the math: search how many podiatry clinics the NHS has against the population, fit and disabled: similarly dental clinics.

The only thing this government is good at so far is to cover up statistics and pretend they are doing elsewhere, or that people are claiming when they shouldn't.

You can only make a new claim for PIP if you are under pension age. After that, it is AA.

There are statistics to discover how old new claimants are if you look. No good my copying and pasting them, you don't like that, and I don't intend to use what is left of my vision retyping everything.

I suspect that few are willing to risk their pension pot disappearing before age 55 in favour of disability benefits of £180 a week, would you? You would have to be genuinely disabled to do that.

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Just because there are TikToks showing how to apply for PIP doesn't mean those who watch them will be successful. People are only awarded it in cases of extreme genuine need. And as far as ADHD is concerned, to borrow a quote from this book https://www.amazon.co.uk/Its-Not-Bloody-Trend-Understanding-ebook/dp/B0C68Z76F2 it's not Father Christmas. It doesn't need you to believe in it to be real.

Being autistic yourself presumably you realise how nuanced being neurodivergent is? So it's a bit surprising you're labelling the uptick in diagnoses as a 'trend'. I'm neurodivergent myself and I don't personally recognise the scenario of people demanding resources that you're describing here. And again, just because they ask doesn't mean they'll get.

But they won't get help from the NHS. Many of us are disabled because the NHS was so hopeless. I saw dozens of doctors who were received vast amounts in pay just to dismiss me, patronise me and fob me off. They won't use the money properly - we get far further with control over the money ourselves. For example, I've managed to get 6 diagnoses in the 4 years since I've had my PIP that the NHS had missed for 30 years (I've had all the conditions since I was about 11 when something went catastrophically wrong - but could only get doctors to take me seriously and do the actual tests that needed to be done when I was paying them).

Re the food - how else do people eat if the other benefits they receive don't cover the cost of food? My parents pay for my food so I can use my PIP/ESA on my disability related costs which are more than £1000 a month (my benefits are about £900 a month) but if they weren't doing that I would still be in the dark about all the conditions I've been living with for all this time and I couldn't afford any of the medications or treatments that actually make my conditions better. The fact that people are forced to spend their PIP money on food so they don't starve is the worst argument I've ever heard for taking it away.

My son had a private diagnosis due the a mh issue and long waiting lists.
On receipt of the diagnosis it was sent to his GP and is now receiving medication through the nhs.

There's also the fact that food can be part of someone's disability/condition etc too.

My son is under a dietician and at one point he had to have a vegan, gluten free diet. This was during the 18 week wait to get his DLA and it almost broke us financially as we were also dealing with me losing my job and having a child in hospital.

Now he isn't as restricted but still has some dietary needs due to his disability.

First, let me tell you that disabled people on PIP and DLA did not receive the winter fuel payment either. Not just the pensioners. This Chancellor means tested disabled people.

If nothing else, it shows that the government knows exactly who is claiming disability and UC and other benefits, yet the government turns to disabled people to cut the benefits they receive. How many realise that? How far do you think this government would get if it means tested for PIP? They know it cannot be done, but they give the people the impression that previous governments had squandered money on people claiming to be disabled who are not.

How do you get around? My four wheels is a wheelchair, what about you? When you go to bed, do you have an ordinary bed, or have you had to buy a low profile bed - second hand, because even if you need a bed like that, the forms you fill in are just not worth it, and the SS come and visit at home to see if you REALLY need it.

The government are telling us that they can get people off benefit and into work. How do they intend to do that? Why would anyone be content to live on a month's disability benefit, with all the costs of being disabled?

Motorised wheelchairs cost as much as a car now, because people buy more new cars than new wheelchairs, so not so many are made, which makes them cost thousands.. On Motability you can exchange for a new car or new powerchair for the same money. How many people in work can buy one without extra help? How many able bodied people in work can go out and buy a £3,000 bed?

How would disabled people pay their helpers £25 an hour unless they have help? We are not all injured in road accidents with compensation. Some disabled people have been so since birth. Some have had their central nervous system inflamed by a virus. If nerves could be repaired, we would not have so many paraplegics, would we?

That virus could be coming your way: what would you do?

Do you really think that the government can means test PIP? Why would anyone even suggest that? Those most likely to have the PIP taken away are those injured in accidents which were not their faults. The others were failed by the NHS' inability to cure them in time.

I don't think there are so many claimants who do not need benefits. I think the application book is so full of pages of questions that anyone who doesn't understand what being disabled is would find it difficult to answer the questions.

Claiming asylum is legal way to gain right to remain in the uk.

Firstly
My reference to winter fuel was a comparison with those who are means tested to receive it. The elderly are not less worthy than the disabled but are means tested

Child benefit is also means tested. Children are not less worthy than the disabled.
I’m in favour of means testing PIP to both give it to those who need the money and to reduce the welfare bill in the interests on equality and fairness for all

If all the money was always needed just for care and treatment by people that were on low incomes then I very much doubt this would even be a discussion but successive people seem unable to show this is the case.

Nb . Lets not forget the debate by our Government and those on here is not questioning the severely disabled.

1000 new PIP payments a day is not sustainable. That’s an extra 365,000 a year even with not all being successful
The current numbers have gone through the roof in the last 5 years.

whilst proposed changes ( as was) May have reduced the bill
there is no reason we shouldn’t be treating disabled people the same as children ( cb) and the elderly ( wfa) by means testing.

@BetterHairisOnlyFair so it’s obvious then that more money for the nhs would have been a godsend for you to get diagnosis and support.
Whilst others on here have noted the lack of nhs support for ADHD and I’m sure there are many other conditions too.

As the system is failing people surely the need is too look at improvements long term.
Saving money through PIP would go some way to doing this.

( clearly you are not one of the people who I previously referred to re where the money is spent )

So I presume you think £218 a week enough to live on?

The disabled did not get the winter fuel payment and were means tested for it just as the elderly were. I can vouch for that.

Neither is the money spent on accommodating fit young men of military age who pay people smugglers to get to Britain, for whatever purpose they have in mind, sustainable.

It is more out of hand than PIP claimants..