1,000 new PIP claims per day?

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Is this true? (From someone who is naturally cynical of government info.)

If it is, is there something else behind the statistic? Is it because people have to reapply or something like that?

This is from the government website:

"Monthly PIP awards have more than doubled since the pandemic, rising from 13,000 to 34,000 - a rate of around 1,000 new claims per day, or the population of Leicester every year."

I find the statistic unbelievable.

Claiming back certain expenses would only work if you could afford the expenses in the first place.

Do you think she’d really give up work for a maximum of £9700/year from PIP. Which she’s entirely unlikely to get the maximum amount with her given issues?

Tell me how thst system would work for my youngest son, he's 15 severely autistic non verbal with a very limited understanding of the world around him goes to a special school for children with severe and profound learning disabilities he's working at pre school levels he needs 1:1 support at all time
Whst kind of expenses can he claim back?

Easy option to claim? Have you claimed?

Ooh well wait until you hear I awarded someone with eczema last week. Your blood will boil. Eczema? PIP for a bit of scratching?

Reality - The boy had it so severely that his mother had to sponge bath him because the impact of the droplets from a shower hitting his skin was too much. He could barely walk due to the sores between his thighs. More or less any movement causes him extreme pain. The medication is painful to apply. His life is limited.

My partner also has eczema. Completely different situation. It doesn’t ruin his life. He scratches like fuck and relies on a massive bottle of cream. No problem. No PIP for him.

It will be exactly the same things he uses PIP for but you’d pay out of pocket and claim it back.

But it’s a daft system which assumes people can afford the expenses in the first place. The government can’t even administer the recouping of childcare fees as part of UC properly and they’re often recurring. It would cost a fortune to monitor this and would inevitably end with people out of pocket.

It wouldn’t work. But people genuinely don’t seem to be able to get their heads around the fact that conditions impact people differently. And they absolutely don’t seem to want to.

It’s almost as though… we are… individuals.

It would be an awful system.

Without DLA, I wouldn't be able to afford so many things to help improve my son's life. Not to mention the motability car that is essential to get him to appointments without fighting people with buggies on the bus who refuse to move for a child in a wheelchair.

Then you do it for all other benefits

I don't know about other disabled people but I already have enough disability admin. I don't want to add to it if it's really not necessary

Pushing through when you have a disability rarely ends well.
You might think you are doing her a favour, but you could end up pushing her into a crisis.

I keep reading that as the assessment is not face to face now, it is much easier to cheat the system with websites showing how to answer the questions to get the right outcome. There are a lot of cheating bastards jumping on the gravy train, as I'm sure we all know. It desperately needs reform and to go back to medical assessment and face to face. Genuine claimants surely have nothing to fear and the chancers will think twice.

People are all individuals and some people with identical diagnoses present very differently. There is a whole industry around how to fill in PIP forms, particularly for children. The money should be used for people who are very high need and genuinely create extra expenses such as need for respite night sits and buying inco pads and other equipment not state funded. It should not be given to every child with a diagnosis of autism.
I had 3 x neuro diverse kids and I could definitely have claimed for 2 of them but it was their behaviour that was most difficult to manage but I could not honestly say they were more expensive to look after than a NT kid.
I spend a lot of time with a kid who has autism. His mum claims PIP for him. When at my house, on a morning, he gets himself up and washed and dressed. I just need to make sure he is awake on time. He is 11 and other than an occasional meltdown, he is not that different to other 11 year olds. Should his mum get PIP for him? I honestly cannot think of one extra expense she may have for him.

I should clarify, she is at Uni, talking more years than most for to get needs, but she works on her days off and has worked as a Care assistant since she was 16 alongside study. She would prefer not to have to but wants to have some money to spend. She does a couple of shifts a week and I am fairly sure if she got PIP, she would stay in bed on her days off

@callingtown

Some people have such bad skin conditions that the skin literally peels off and leaves weeping sores. Sores that regularly get infected

Slightly different situation to a mild eczema flair up

Chancers are clued up, and the genuine are the ones that are made to take it to tribunal stage.

The forms are complicated. Help is needed to navigate them. You have to word things a particular way to get the point across about your struggles. Any sort of coaching about that is not fraudulent. People outright lying... yes, that is fraud. But seeking help on how to word things is not.
Medical assessment? Ha! Most people get assessed by someone who has no clue about the condition they are claiming for.

And can we stop calling it a "gravy train".

Well. She doesn't get PIP for him. So you can stop worrying

My costs during my period of disability (I'm only on PIP until I've had all my surgeries and I no longer have to work from home) cost me thousands of pounds. My awarded PIP didn't even begin to cover it.

I am aware. I have mentioned a few times here that both myself and my younger brother have autism. I do not have the support needs he has. He doesn’t know when it’s acceptable to undress himself to use the bathroom. I do.

I am also a PIP assessor, so I’m very familiar with what should and shouldn’t be awarded.

All the best.

I think you are doing the right thing, she will, learn strategies to cope and build herself an independent life. I know an autistic guy on anti-psychotics, things aren’t always easy but he’s at uni has a girlfriend and is generally really happy. He would have been worse off not engaging with life. It’s not an even playing field but it isn’t for anyone.

Children don't get PIP, not under 16 anyway.

Seeing as you don't know the difference between PIP and DLA then I'm guessing you don't understand why some kids qualify and others don't,
You also have non idea if your kids would have qualified or not just si you don't get to smug with yourself.

There was a woman charging to help people fill in claim forms. Charlotte Anderson, charges 650 to help people do it. i doubt they are all genuine.

None of which explains what money paid direct can do to help though.
The minimum payment is £73.90 a week I believe.
Wouldn’t it be better for that to go to the nhs so everyone with similar issues can get help

I , like many others, don’t see why someone with your condition ( as an example we aren’t just highlighting yours ) needs £73.90 a week.

It’s not there to top up out of work or other benefits or salary . It’s there to support you dealing with your condition.
So how then
( because on previous threads over the years people state they use it to buy food as it’s gone up in price etc. That’s not its purpose! )

Also my son now gets respite care including two overnights a month I don't pay for it out of his DLA it's funded via the LA
Before he was toilet trained at nine ,we got nappies from the NHS ,that we didn't pay for ,( although tbf there were never enough of them )

But she does. I know it is his money, but according to rest of family, not a penny is used on him. There is no way the system is able to monitor what parents spend the money on.

She doesn't get PIP for an 11yo