1,000 new PIP claims per day?

[flashbac]

Is this true? (From someone who is naturally cynical of government info.)

If it is, is there something else behind the statistic? Is it because people have to reapply or something like that?

This is from the government website:

"Monthly PIP awards have more than doubled since the pandemic, rising from 13,000 to 34,000 - a rate of around 1,000 new claims per day, or the population of Leicester every year."

I find the statistic unbelievable.

No that’s not what they’ve pledged. They’ve said they’ll build government owned accommodation. Obviously whether they do remains to be seen, but that’s what they’ve said.

However some sections of society feel about asylum, it isn’t going anywhere and we do have a duty to house people while they’re awaiting their applications to be processed.

none of that has anything to do with pip claims though, just a nice way for the bigots to dig their oar in.

Illegal immigrants are people who are here with no right to remain. Either as visa overstayers or failed asylum applicants. Neither are eligible for help from the state. Nor would they be likely to bring themselves to the attention of the state to avoid deportation.

You’re talking about asylum seekers, who do have a right to be here until a decision on their claim is reached (of which around 70% are successful).

Since you appear not to have read any of the many comments on this thread explaining how PIP can help disabled people remain in work, I guess I'll have to go over this yet again. I can only hope your question is a genuine one.
I have been completely blind since birth. I use my PIP to pay for adaptive technology, equipment and aids without which I would be unable to work.
PIP is a non-means-tested benefit which is paid regardless of one's level of earnings or savings. It is intended to offset just some of the extra costs many disabled people incur as a result of their disability and is meant to help level the playing field between us disabled people and the currently able-bodied. Being disabled can be very expensive. As I have mentioned, as a blind person I require a great deal of specialist equipment and support, some of which is paid for by my PIP. I hope this helps.

I haven’t said it costs nothing to have people seek asylum (in fact I specifically said it costs us 0.5% of our GNI). I said we pay illegal immigrants nothing. Which we do.

asylum seekers does not equal illegal immigrants.

i cannot believe these same facts are having to be repeated to people on any given thread, regardless of whether the thread is actually about immigration or not 😭

In your case - having a physical disability of course you need this practical help. I did stress I was talking about people that claim PIP for anxiety. Why do they need extra money - possibly for cabs - that's the only thing I can think of.

No, you didnt aim your original comment at people with anxiety at all. Your original comment was to me, who stated I didnt receive PIP for MH.

Well clearly you don’t have anxiety, which is why you can’t think of anything that would help (although you will of course now claim that either you do have it or you know 105 people with it all who manage with no help).

And to reiterate what’s already been said - people with no additional challenges arising from their health condition won’t get help.

if you’re working under the assumption that you just drop PIP a note with “I’ve got anxiety” and they start paying out hundreds, you’re sadly misinformed.

Anxiety is such a broad term anyway, and is often co-morbid with other conditions... which will be the reasons people claim PIP.
Most of the people I know on PIP claim for MH reasons, and not a single person has just anxiety.
Yes, some use it for taxis. Some use it for private therapy.
But how they spend it is up to them.

Until you have a disability - whether physical or mental - you cannot possibly comprehend what it is like living with one. And I say that from experience. Given my professional background, experience and skills, I had assumed that society had changed massively in its attitudes towards disability since I was a child / teenager (I am now 67). Upon acquiring a nice shiny and progressive disability, I realised that I knew nothing; and that what might have changed on the surface was simply a veneer of "respectability" over some deeply ingrained and horrific attitudes.

I don't think you can even begin to understand what these threads on MN have meant to many people with disabilities. There have been disgusting comments allowed to stand even after complaints about them, some of them seriously verging on national socialism by suggesting that we be "marked" in some way so that we are visible as "drains on society". In the best cases, we are still objects of sympathy - oh look at the poor disabled people, why on earth do they need money when they can just stay indoors because it's not like they are capable of anything. I knew all these attitudes existed because I deal with them on a regular basis in every day life. What has been truly frightening - and I use that word very deliberately, FRIGHTENING - is the depths to which normal apparently decent human beings will descend when they do not have to account personally for their beliefs. This site, and others like it, take the masks off the so-called civilised society that we supposedly live in.

Misinformation and downright lies have been peddled as truth to justify attacks on people with disabilities. You will never know what support and adjustments you will need until it happens to you. It is not, and should not be, about what the able-bodied "think of" - and that has been the root of this entire situation, with an arrogant bunch of privileged people decided that they knew what we needed based on never asking us in the first place.

I know, because I talk to them, how many people with disabilities are living in fear right now, and it is a fear that, whatever happens today, will not go away any time soon. Do you know what living in fear is like? On top of the day to day struggle just to live and function? Every single day?

I am not going to live in fear though. I am angry, I am very angry. And I don't care who knows about that. And I am using all those experiences and skills I have learned over a lifetime to teach others how to be angry, how not to accept, and how to fight back. We are not second class citizens willing to accept the scraps from your table because you can't think of what support we might need. Not any more. I was a feminist and a socialist in the 70's (still am, and not one of the wishy-washy modern versions). I stood with brothers and sisters when they were attacked because of the colour of their skin or their creed. I still do. But now it's another fight, and I won't be passing up on it.

How many of these able bodied and unemployed people are job seekers though? And how many are carers, stay at home parents or people who have retired early?

They are economically inactive and counted in a different category.

My experience is it’s easy to get PIP if you fit the very rigidly defined criteria. If you don’t fit the criteria you simply won’t get it. So really what you are saying when you say you want less people to get it, is you want the criteria changed.

I wonder that, too. And to an even greater extent, adhd.

Maybe the money could allow people to obtain their diagnosis? And then follow on support? Where I live, the services for adult autism referral have been completely removed. Anyone in need of support, needs to find upwards of £1000. This is what the GPs tell you 🤷‍♀️

So, you've remained mates with good old alcoholic, cocaine-addicted, benefits cheat Jim for many years, despite his multiple nefarious activities. How very sweet and loyal of you.
What I admire about your good pal Jim, who definitely isn't a figment of your fevered imagination, along with all the other surely not at all imaginary friends, neighbours and family members other posters keep citing on this thread as examples of people they know who got PIP for non-existent medical conditions without needing to provide any medical evidence, is just how honest and open these surely not at all made up people are. Their apparent eagerness to share details of their fraud with all and sundry is a little surprising to me.
One would think that if someone were committing blatant benefit fraud they'd be a bit cagey about it, certainly not sharing every detail of their deception with the nosy and judgemental posters on here. And yet, according to the surely completely truthful posters on this thread, these not at all fictitious criminals are unusually garrulous and trusting and apparently go about sharing the entire detail of what they wrote in their claim with any interfering busybody who asks them.

@PhilippaGeorgiou @Everlore brilliant posts.

Here we go. So, I’m autistic, and my brother is severely autistic with very high support needs. He doesn’t understand where it’s acceptable to go to the toilet, and doesn’t understand the value of money, often handing over £20 notes to shop keepers and leaving without change. To him, £2, £20, £50… it’s all the same. He’s very vulnerable. I am less so. It’s quite different for a lot of people. He will never be able to work, so PIP could be quite useful for him.

In terms of how PIP can help other people with these conditions:

Autistic individuals may struggle with social interactions and understanding social cues, making communication challenging. Difficulty in adapting to changes in routine can lead to anxiety and distress. Many may find everyday tasks like cooking, cleaning, and personal hygiene overwhelming.

Students with ADHD may struggle to concentrate, which affects their ability to complete tasks, follow instructions, or stay organised. Challenges in planning, organising, and regulating emotions can hinder their ability to manage daily responsibilities.

High levels of anxiety and depression are common, further complicating their ability to function daily. Many autistic individuals have heightened sensory sensitivities, making certain environments overwhelming.

They may require additional support and accommodations in educational settings, which can sometimes be inadequate.

I’m unlikely to convince those who simply just don’t understand how this can impact individuals, but it astounds me that we seem to consistently go 3 steps forward with these conditions, and then 5 back.

At some point with anxiety you just gotta tough it out and deal with it. Like yes seek support but at some point you just have to deal with the difficulties of life and tough it out.

I knew a lad at school who's anxiety was so bad at times. But thankfully he got the right support and the right medicine and he did so well at school and at university.

Yes, with the right support. Not everyone has that.

I tried to tough it out. Got sectioned.

At some point with anxiety you’ve just got to tough it out and deal with it? Tell that to the agoraphobics. Or those with PTSD? Or anxiety as a comorbidity of another debilitating condition? What level of anxiety do you believe is not worth addressing?

Care and health are a shambles. People are being let down to the point of disability (or worsening disability).

Exactly. Too many posts here are written as though every single person is the exact same, living in the same conditions, with the same circumstances, with the same support network.

In an ideal world, yes. But only some of you have the privilege of living there.

I’m gonna go out on a limb and say you’re not a registered medical professional 🫠

One of the best posts I’ve ever read on this topic. Thank you 👏

Huh? Gaslighting?