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DD17 has been inappropriately touched by a customer whilst at work.

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Normansglasseye · 22/06/2025 11:57

DD17 works at the weekend at a well known store.

We are currently on our way to pick her up as she's just rung me very distressed. She was serving on a till and an autistic young man around the same as DD has grabbed one of her breasts. She is absolutely distraught. The carer/parent has apologised.

I've never been in a situation like this.

I'm so upset for DD.

OP posts:
MaloryJones · 26/06/2025 10:42

Dontlletmedownbruce · 22/06/2025 15:17

I think you need to take your DDs lead on this, obviously you have a role to support her as her mum but this was her workplace and she is the employee, not you. I think this is one of those situations where the parent needs to quietly support from the sidelines not control the situation. I'm not saying you are doing anything wrong OP, I obviously don't know you I'm just saying sometimes these things become all about the parents wants and not about what actually happened.

Well said

x2boys · 26/06/2025 10:42

Ssdaa · 26/06/2025 10:32

As I said. I'm ashamed that I have these views. When I was at school we had one SEN child and the worst he'd do was flick his boogers and grab your arm (not hit). He'd do this again and again and when he'd get yelled at by the teachers he'd burst into tears, yet he's continue to do it again.

Sometimes the teachers couldn't be asked to deal with him and we'd have to bear it.

It's only till coming on MN till I learnt about the horror of parents being violently attacked repeatedly by their children. Saw something about a girl in reception being attacked by an autistic child. And now read a case about a very very sad SA.

Yes I am ashamed I have this thought.

Agsin it's a massive spectrum somebody who attempts to sexually abuse a child regardless of wether they have a diagnosis of autism knows exactly what they are doing
Someone who randomly grabs out because mentally they are a toddler doesn't.knw what they ar doing
Both might have a diagnosis of autism but how it impacts them varies hugely.

MrsSkylerWhite · 26/06/2025 10:43

Maverickess · 26/06/2025 08:27

"Maybe I’m slightly desensitised after working in a special school, but I don’t think being grabbed momentarily, over clothing, when no injury occurred, by a person who has an intellectual disability, did not intend to harm, and who was supervised by someone that was able to de escalate the problem almost immediately, is that traumatic a life experience for someone who has chosen to take on a public facing job."

You don't think being momentarily grabbed (incident) is that traumatic a life experience for someone who has chosen to take on a public facing job

It's not projection when it's what you wrote, it's a response. What do you mean by that paragraph, and especially the last sentence? For clarity? If as you now say I am projecting? Did I misunderstand?

And I really don't think that checking on the well being of the young lady is that unreasonable, yes in all likelihood the carer is overwhelmed and we all know the reasons why that happens, but that doesn't mean we put up and shut up about the results and how they affect everyone. It wasn't the carer that de-escalated initially, it was another customer by grabbing the young man's arm to prevent further touching, the carer then removed him. But as you say we're free to disagree on that point.

I do think this needs to be reported, not least because it will add weight if this carer is overwhelmed, it will highlight that they need that help. Without identity then it's really only the police that can record something like this. The police aren't just there to punish people, they're there to help too, and increasingly ensuring that people are put on the radar of the appropriate services. As someone who worked with people with mental illness and disability, sometimes the only time we were taken seriously reporting concerns was when the police were involved, because it added weight to those concerns that we as care workers just didn't have. We didn't report it to get them locked up or punished, we reported to get the extra help that was desperately needed.

And yes I agree with your last paragraph, it would be different were this a young lady or someone younger doing the grabbing. But that's not because the young man has autism or LD, it's because he's male, and that isn't plucked out of thin air, it's because younger children and females don't pose the same risk as males around and past teenage years. Because male to female violence, including sexual violence is more common than small child or female to female.

It's not a forgone conclusion that this was, or wasn't, sexual in nature, but I can see how with the circumstances of several males actually wearing name badges being present but not approached, and the female present was, it can be interpreted that way.

As already mentioned I have also worked with people with autism, LD and mental illness, and some of them were sexually inappropriate, some physically with no sexual intent, but they didn't have the understanding that touching of any nature, needs to be consensual. That doesn't need to be punished, it can't be changed, but it does need to be managed appropriately. Simply saying "It happens because carers are overwhelmed and disabled people have the right to be in public, so we all just have to deal with it" is doing everyone involved a disservice imo.

Hear, hear.

Nearly50omg · 26/06/2025 10:51

As the parent of a child with autism I am like strongly advise your daughter to contact the police about this. Being autistic or having learning disabilities doesn’t excuse sexually assaulting someone! It’s the same as being old - if an old person SA a young woman/girl how is that any different from a younger person doing it?! He probably has been a sex pest for his whole life! How long is this man going to be allowed to go on SA women if no one has him charged or even just arrested and taken to the police station and then make it VERY clear to him that his behaviour is unacceptable and he will be locked up if he carries on doing it??

it’s easier to cancel a report to the police if you change your mind later on than bring a charge months later

Ssdaa · 26/06/2025 11:04

x2boys · 26/06/2025 10:42

Agsin it's a massive spectrum somebody who attempts to sexually abuse a child regardless of wether they have a diagnosis of autism knows exactly what they are doing
Someone who randomly grabs out because mentally they are a toddler doesn't.knw what they ar doing
Both might have a diagnosis of autism but how it impacts them varies hugely.

Obviously I don't go around saying this in public. It's just after reading such upsetting threads on here i just had these barrage of negative thoughts in my head

BlueyNeedsToFuckOff · 26/06/2025 11:20

Ssdaa · 26/06/2025 11:04

Obviously I don't go around saying this in public. It's just after reading such upsetting threads on here i just had these barrage of negative thoughts in my head

And exactly what do you think a public internet forum is? You ARE going around saying this in public.

x2boys · 26/06/2025 11:36

Nearly50omg · 26/06/2025 10:51

As the parent of a child with autism I am like strongly advise your daughter to contact the police about this. Being autistic or having learning disabilities doesn’t excuse sexually assaulting someone! It’s the same as being old - if an old person SA a young woman/girl how is that any different from a younger person doing it?! He probably has been a sex pest for his whole life! How long is this man going to be allowed to go on SA women if no one has him charged or even just arrested and taken to the police station and then make it VERY clear to him that his behaviour is unacceptable and he will be locked up if he carries on doing it??

it’s easier to cancel a report to the police if you change your mind later on than bring a charge months later

Being the parent of child autism you have a very limited understanding of how varied the spectrum is
Have you even read the thread?
Some people with autism diont have the capacity to understand how their actions impact others, becsuse they are profoundly disabled by their autism maybe educate yourself?

lilacbreeze · 26/06/2025 11:36

Vodkaandlemonade · 22/06/2025 12:25

I hope your daughter is ok.
Please get her to write out her account of this assault and send to HR plus how she wasn't supported by the manager of the store.

A long time ago I worked at Argos, putting things in a glass cabinet a man came over and put his hand up my skirt. I kicked him and shouted at him to fuck off.
Fortunately my manager was nearby and confronted this waste of space.
Manager wanted to call the police but I stupidly said leave it.
A few weeks later this waste of space wrote to head office that I was a foul mouth bitch. He actually wrote that in his complaint.
Thank goodness the manager saw what happened.
The CEO made it a police matter.
It turned out he had a list of sexual assaults to shop assistants.
It ended up going to court.

Did he get found guilty

Dryeroo · 26/06/2025 11:38

Nearly50omg · 26/06/2025 10:51

As the parent of a child with autism I am like strongly advise your daughter to contact the police about this. Being autistic or having learning disabilities doesn’t excuse sexually assaulting someone! It’s the same as being old - if an old person SA a young woman/girl how is that any different from a younger person doing it?! He probably has been a sex pest for his whole life! How long is this man going to be allowed to go on SA women if no one has him charged or even just arrested and taken to the police station and then make it VERY clear to him that his behaviour is unacceptable and he will be locked up if he carries on doing it??

it’s easier to cancel a report to the police if you change your mind later on than bring a charge months later

But if someone has a intellectual disability and is profoundly autistic (and it sounds likely this person probably is) how can you make it VERY clear?

People with dementia can behave in sexually inappropriate ways too. It doesn’t mean they’ve been sex pests all their lives! It means parts of their brain no longer function as they once did.
It’s not their fault even though of course the behaviour needs to be managed.

lilacbreeze · 26/06/2025 11:40

x2boys · 26/06/2025 10:17

It would be down to his capacity wether he faced any repercussions or not. an adult trying to meet a child on line clearly has the capacity to understand what they are doing regardless of wether they have a diagnosis of autism
Compared to my son who has the cognitive ability of a toddler ( he's 15) very limited understanding of the world around him, csn only communicate on a very basic level and if he hits out or grabs at people he doesn't understand what he's done wrong ,he also has a diagnosis of autism.

Unfortunately this isn’t always the case. The autistic man I know had back then what was referred to as Asperger’s and definitely had the capacity. He got caught for having CSAM and then caught by one of those hunter groups.

he went to court and got a slap on the wrist the first time. Supervision order so he had to go and stay with family rather then on his own. A year on the SO register. As soon as he was off the SO register for the CSAM he did the online stuff. Again, slap on the wrist (community service this time) and another couple of years on the register.

if someone with capacity doesn’t go to prison this boy in the post certainly won’t. I doubt they will be given any sort of community service either. Their carer may also end up with the sack.

x2boys · 26/06/2025 11:42

lilacbreeze · 26/06/2025 11:40

Unfortunately this isn’t always the case. The autistic man I know had back then what was referred to as Asperger’s and definitely had the capacity. He got caught for having CSAM and then caught by one of those hunter groups.

he went to court and got a slap on the wrist the first time. Supervision order so he had to go and stay with family rather then on his own. A year on the SO register. As soon as he was off the SO register for the CSAM he did the online stuff. Again, slap on the wrist (community service this time) and another couple of years on the register.

if someone with capacity doesn’t go to prison this boy in the post certainly won’t. I doubt they will be given any sort of community service either. Their carer may also end up with the sack.

Edited

Terrible but that might not have had anything to do with him being autistic ,unfortunately loads of people don't seem to get adequate punishment for those kinds of crimes.

lilacbreeze · 26/06/2025 11:52

x2boys · 26/06/2025 11:42

Terrible but that might not have had anything to do with him being autistic ,unfortunately loads of people don't seem to get adequate punishment for those kinds of crimes.

Possibly but his lawyer made a big thing about his clients autism and the judge also commented on how he would struggle to cope in prison but had been considering a custodial sentence until then.

Rosscameasdoody · 26/06/2025 19:04

lilacbreeze · 26/06/2025 10:06

The boy would likely not face any repercussions as he is disabled, sad but true. I know a guy who got found guilty having CSAM and tried to meet a child online and didn’t go to prison. Used his autism as a get out of jail card.

i am autistic myself and don’t condone this behaviour

You’re comparing a paedophile arranging to meet children online for purposes of sexual assault, and who, despite his autism acted deliberately and knowingly, with a disabled 17 year old who clearly has severe enough needs to require a carer and who very probably has poor impulse control and little understanding of the consequences of his actions ? Really ?

Rosscameasdoody · 26/06/2025 19:12

Nearly50omg · 26/06/2025 10:51

As the parent of a child with autism I am like strongly advise your daughter to contact the police about this. Being autistic or having learning disabilities doesn’t excuse sexually assaulting someone! It’s the same as being old - if an old person SA a young woman/girl how is that any different from a younger person doing it?! He probably has been a sex pest for his whole life! How long is this man going to be allowed to go on SA women if no one has him charged or even just arrested and taken to the police station and then make it VERY clear to him that his behaviour is unacceptable and he will be locked up if he carries on doing it??

it’s easier to cancel a report to the police if you change your mind later on than bring a charge months later

You know nothing about autism do you ? What you’re suggesting is exactly why so many people with ND and mental health issues end up in the criminal justice system - because there is nowhere else for them. And if the boy has little or no understanding of the consequences of his actions, how are you going to make it VERY clear to him that his behaviour is unacceptable ?

dynamiccactus · 26/06/2025 20:43

I've not read the full thread but I've got to page 3 and nobody has mentioned yet that employers have had an obligation to prevent sexual harassment of their employees since October.

So they absolutely should be concerned. The fact that someone has a disability doesn't mean they can go round grabbing womens' breasts.

OP I am so sorry for your DD, this is shocking.

Dryeroo · 27/06/2025 01:37

I am very sorry for OP’s DD too, but I don’t think it’s shocking.

I think some people don’t understand the reality that can be disability (or dementia) and also the reality that is a carer’s life. Many carers, both professional and family carers, experience assault of some form, sometimes on a regular basis.

Do people not realise that?
(People on here I mean, not OP’s daughter who is very young.)

Obviously it’s far from okay, but it’s in no way out of the ordinary in some settings.
And it really doesn’t make it all right when it happens in those settings (like at home), rather than in others (like a shop)…but I don’t suppose people think much about that unfortunately. Out of sight, out of mind, usually.

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