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DD17 has been inappropriately touched by a customer whilst at work.

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Normansglasseye · 22/06/2025 11:57

DD17 works at the weekend at a well known store.

We are currently on our way to pick her up as she's just rung me very distressed. She was serving on a till and an autistic young man around the same as DD has grabbed one of her breasts. She is absolutely distraught. The carer/parent has apologised.

I've never been in a situation like this.

I'm so upset for DD.

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Guavafish1 · 26/06/2025 01:16

Honestly encourage her to call the police. Please get her to contact the police … it’s the right thing to do

im not sure they will be useful but it should be logged as he is probably doing it to other women/girls.

she should ask her manager to take her off till duty for a while as I can imagine she feels nervous with strangers.

NotEnoughRoom · 26/06/2025 01:47

OP, you’ve had lots of advice on the perpetrator, but actually, your daughter’s employer has a legal obligation to prevent sexual harassment in the workplace.

you/she might find the Acas guidance on this topic useful - what to do if it happens, links to some support etc?

https://www.acas.org.uk/sexual-harassment/steps-for-employers-to-prevent-sexual-harassment

Preventing sexual harassment - Sexual harassment - Acas

What an employer must do to prevent sexual harassment. Worker Protection Act. Examples of reasonable steps an employer can take.

https://www.acas.org.uk/sexual-harassment/steps-for-employers-to-prevent-sexual-harassment

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The OP did not state she 'hoped' this would happen at all, she actually said 'God forbid' this should happen.

Futurehappiness · 26/06/2025 07:09

NotEnoughRoom · 26/06/2025 01:47

OP, you’ve had lots of advice on the perpetrator, but actually, your daughter’s employer has a legal obligation to prevent sexual harassment in the workplace.

you/she might find the Acas guidance on this topic useful - what to do if it happens, links to some support etc?

https://www.acas.org.uk/sexual-harassment/steps-for-employers-to-prevent-sexual-harassment

The employer actually has a duty to 'take reasonable steps' to prevent sexual harassment in the workplace. Perhaps someone who works in HR or management within retail can advise on how these reasonable steps are typically applied in a retail environment?

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CopperWhite · 24/06/2025 21:20

I didn’t say she was doing anything wrong and I didn’t say I expect her to have life experiences or training that would lead to her having the skills to deal with situations like this. Nor did I say that this exact situation is to be expected when working in public. That’s a huge amount of projection you’ve put on what I said.

I did say that my first post may have come across as lacking in empathy, and of course I can acknowledge that she had a horrible experience. But the posts calling for the police to be contacted, the OP’s expectation of a phone call to check if someone is ok after something they have probably experienced a million times and couldn’t be helped, the cries of sexual assault, it’s all over the top and small minded in my opinion. We are free to disagree on that.

I dislike that a boy who looks like he’s in his mid teens is automatically being judged as a sexual predator when I believe a younger child or a girl with a similar disability and exactly the same level of understanding would be given more sympathy by the MN feminists.

"Maybe I’m slightly desensitised after working in a special school, but I don’t think being grabbed momentarily, over clothing, when no injury occurred, by a person who has an intellectual disability, did not intend to harm, and who was supervised by someone that was able to de escalate the problem almost immediately, is that traumatic a life experience for someone who has chosen to take on a public facing job."

You don't think being momentarily grabbed (incident) is that traumatic a life experience for someone who has chosen to take on a public facing job

It's not projection when it's what you wrote, it's a response. What do you mean by that paragraph, and especially the last sentence? For clarity? If as you now say I am projecting? Did I misunderstand?

And I really don't think that checking on the well being of the young lady is that unreasonable, yes in all likelihood the carer is overwhelmed and we all know the reasons why that happens, but that doesn't mean we put up and shut up about the results and how they affect everyone. It wasn't the carer that de-escalated initially, it was another customer by grabbing the young man's arm to prevent further touching, the carer then removed him. But as you say we're free to disagree on that point.

I do think this needs to be reported, not least because it will add weight if this carer is overwhelmed, it will highlight that they need that help. Without identity then it's really only the police that can record something like this. The police aren't just there to punish people, they're there to help too, and increasingly ensuring that people are put on the radar of the appropriate services. As someone who worked with people with mental illness and disability, sometimes the only time we were taken seriously reporting concerns was when the police were involved, because it added weight to those concerns that we as care workers just didn't have. We didn't report it to get them locked up or punished, we reported to get the extra help that was desperately needed.

And yes I agree with your last paragraph, it would be different were this a young lady or someone younger doing the grabbing. But that's not because the young man has autism or LD, it's because he's male, and that isn't plucked out of thin air, it's because younger children and females don't pose the same risk as males around and past teenage years. Because male to female violence, including sexual violence is more common than small child or female to female.

It's not a forgone conclusion that this was, or wasn't, sexual in nature, but I can see how with the circumstances of several males actually wearing name badges being present but not approached, and the female present was, it can be interpreted that way.

As already mentioned I have also worked with people with autism, LD and mental illness, and some of them were sexually inappropriate, some physically with no sexual intent, but they didn't have the understanding that touching of any nature, needs to be consensual. That doesn't need to be punished, it can't be changed, but it does need to be managed appropriately. Simply saying "It happens because carers are overwhelmed and disabled people have the right to be in public, so we all just have to deal with it" is doing everyone involved a disservice imo.

Normansglasseye · 26/06/2025 08:47

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That's absolutely not what I meant and you know it.

Please stop trying to antagonise.

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Normansglasseye · 26/06/2025 08:58

Futurehappiness · 26/06/2025 07:05

The OP did not state she 'hoped' this would happen at all, she actually said 'God forbid' this should happen.

Thank you, yes the 'God forbid' added did indeed mean that I do not wish for this to happen to anyone else but some on this thread are deliberately out to cherry pick certain words and cause upset.

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Normansglasseye · 26/06/2025 08:58

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Only you dear, only you.

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Hercwasonaroll · 26/06/2025 09:10

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How is it offensive to say you don't want your breasts grabbed by a stranger?

Hotmoodle · 26/06/2025 09:35

Normansglasseye · 26/06/2025 08:58

Only you dear, only you.

I believe it was you who was asking to remove the thread because you didn’t want to offend any more people, not me.

Normansglasseye · 26/06/2025 09:46

Hotmoodle · 26/06/2025 09:35

I believe it was you who was asking to remove the thread because you didn’t want to offend any more people, not me.

Oh please 🙄

Anyhow, I'm now off to care for my dear mum who is in the late stages of Alzheimer's. I'll spend my day changing her nappy, spoon feeding her and painfully watching her cry as she re-remembers her own mother died 30 years ago. All whilst you sit on your phone trying to make people feel shit about themselves.

Have a lovely day, hope it's the one you deserve.

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x2boys · 26/06/2025 09:57

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Who has the Op offended,?
I think she's been very balanced
Other posters however not d
so much.

Ssdaa · 26/06/2025 10:00

After reading so so many autism threads here, and learning that violent autism etc. I'm ashamed to admit this but I now think to myself "damn I don't like autistic people" at times

x2boys · 26/06/2025 10:04

Ssdaa · 26/06/2025 10:00

After reading so so many autism threads here, and learning that violent autism etc. I'm ashamed to admit this but I now think to myself "damn I don't like autistic people" at times

Its an absolutely huge spectrum and there is a world of difference between a person who has a diagnosis of autism but has full capacity being deliberately violent .and someone whom is profoundly disabled by their autism and has absolutely no understanding of how their actions impact others.

lilacbreeze · 26/06/2025 10:06

Motnight · 22/06/2025 11:59

That's awful, Op. What is her employer doing to ensure that DD is safe at work going forwards?

Your DD has been assaulted. It's totally up to her whether she wishes to report it to the police. But for now I would just be supporting and looking after her.

The boy would likely not face any repercussions as he is disabled, sad but true. I know a guy who got found guilty having CSAM and tried to meet a child online and didn’t go to prison. Used his autism as a get out of jail card.

i am autistic myself and don’t condone this behaviour

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x2boys · 26/06/2025 10:17

lilacbreeze · 26/06/2025 10:06

The boy would likely not face any repercussions as he is disabled, sad but true. I know a guy who got found guilty having CSAM and tried to meet a child online and didn’t go to prison. Used his autism as a get out of jail card.

i am autistic myself and don’t condone this behaviour

It would be down to his capacity wether he faced any repercussions or not. an adult trying to meet a child on line clearly has the capacity to understand what they are doing regardless of wether they have a diagnosis of autism
Compared to my son who has the cognitive ability of a toddler ( he's 15) very limited understanding of the world around him, csn only communicate on a very basic level and if he hits out or grabs at people he doesn't understand what he's done wrong ,he also has a diagnosis of autism.

Ssdaa · 26/06/2025 10:32

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As I said. I'm ashamed that I have these views. When I was at school we had one SEN child and the worst he'd do was flick his boogers and grab your arm (not hit). He'd do this again and again and when he'd get yelled at by the teachers he'd burst into tears, yet he's continue to do it again.

Sometimes the teachers couldn't be asked to deal with him and we'd have to bear it.

It's only till coming on MN till I learnt about the horror of parents being violently attacked repeatedly by their children. Saw something about a girl in reception being attacked by an autistic child. And now read a case about a very very sad SA.

Yes I am ashamed I have this thought.

Hercwasonaroll · 26/06/2025 10:32

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What the fuck.

Reported as this is truly vile.

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