What do you think the trans debate will look like in 10 years?

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Around 3 years ago I would have called myself a trans ally and fully supportive of trans rights. However over the last 6 months my opinion has changed and I have done more and more research and reading mainly into the impact of trans women on women’s rights and lesbian rights. I’m now firmly of the belief that trans activists are erasing women’s hard fought for rights and threatening the validity and even existence of lesbians. This fills me with rage and i don’t think I’m alone in this shift in opinion (as the recent Supreme Court ruling demonstrated). I read somewhere that there has been quite a large downturn in support for trans rights over the last year. Once again it seems men are in control and, what pisses me off the most is on the many occasions trans activists have assaulted women’s rights activists the police do fuck all about it. For fear of looking transphobic maybe? A year ago I’d have said that in 10 years society would be a fully accepting place for trans people. Now I don’t think so. There appears to be (thankfully) more and more backlash against trans ideology and I think we may be heading for a very different society to what I originally thought. What do you think the trans debate will look like in 10 years?

I think and hope it won’t even exist. We would still have remnants of it about - likely law suits and social emancipations from those who allowed or even encouraged bodily mutilation to occur.

I was thinking today that if we take the idea that trans movement is a cult, how the hell did it start?!

ETA I should be clearer. I don’t care if people want to chop bits off or take hormones. I just object when they call themselves women and try to usurp our spaces.

Maybe not in 10 years but in 50 I think it will be a ‘what on earth happened there’ kinda thing. I think sex changes and puberty blockers will be completely illegal and society will consider trans to be an issue of ideology that no longer exists. No one will believe in trans or any of the ideology and it will just go back to how it was before. That men and men and women’ are women. There will of course be the odd Friday night transvestite as there has always been but no one will think ‘oh he’s a woman’.
The they/thems will completely disappear and be a distant memory with a bit of luck.
I wish this were sooner but yeh I’d say 50 yrs to fully get rid.

I think there will be (or will have been) an inquiry into how so many young people were harmed by gender ideology, and how the NHS, schools etc encouraged them to think there was something wrong with their perfectly healthy bodies.

I think men who like to wear dresses and make up will be excluded from women’s spaces and women will be empowered to call them out if they enter. No more will we tolerate boundary pushing men or ignore them, as all that has done is make them think we don’t mind.

I think there will, once again, be “no debate”, because the vast majority of people, while wishing no ill will on trans people, understand that sex is real, immutable, and sometimes important.

TLDR: TRAs will lose.

It’s already dead in the water, a few clucks from those finding it hard to let go, but it’s over. People are tired of loud entitled voices.

It will take years to unpick and dismantle. Unfortunately. Just because of a legal clarification (which plenty are choosing to ignore) doesn’t mean that socially or in real life we won’t still be being called bigots or transphobes etc.

I also think there will be lots of compensation cases for detransitioners and funding and people will see them as medical abuse victims (as they are). And this period now will be considered a time of great medical neglect and abuse and many doctors who’ve been involved will lose their licenses and maybe even charged. Well I hope this is the case anyway. But I think it will take 30-50 yrs. But some point this period of history will be considered utterly abhorrent. For women, children, lesbians and gay people, autism people and ‘trans’ people.

Id love everyone to be able to express their gender identities in whatever way they wish and to separate that from sex without there being a massive culture war about it.
I don't know what things will be like in 10 years time but I really hope there won't be loads of hatred for trans people who are only trying to get on with their lives the best they can.

I would like to think that there will be a system or programme in place that recognises how (mainly) girls with autism need support to manage puberty, that messages about regressive sex stereotypes have taken us far backwards in time, all the work in the 70s/80s/90s about what strong women can achieve was undermined and that treatment for autism (and even NT pre teens who are uncomfortable) needs to include awareness of that discomfort around puberty and development and what it is to be female.

I hope we become a more genderless society where men who want to can wear make up, sparkly things, dresses etc and women who want to can crop their hair and wear what they want.

I reckon it’ll be much like it is now, where people couldn’t care less who’s in the next changing cubicle or used the loo before or after them.

Collective madness, like the witch trials, the satanic sex abuse stuff, an embarrassing, shameful episode of group hysteria where women and children were sacrificed because of a dangerous delusion.

I honestly think people will look back on it as a period of absolute madness. Like the communist witch-hunts in the US in the 1950s when everyone went through a phase of being obsessed with "reds under the bed".

I hope people will criticise the utter misogyny of it, but given the way the world seems to be going with women's rights, I'm not sure that will be the case. But I hope so

🤔

A lot of people care very much, thanks.

"Transwomen" are not women. They are men in dresses and makeup. (Because that is what being a woman is, to them.)

How do you feel about trans-identifying males in women's prisons?

What about women's sports?

Can I ask why you think we often have separate facilities/services/sports for men & women?

And do you think that all facilities/services/sports should be unisex?

Which people are these, then?

I'm hoping Father Ted the Musical will be a huge hit (long before then) and people appreciate everything Graham Linehan did for women's rights.

(I hope that people can present how they want and that trans women are not at any risk in men's toilets.

I think it will be a lot of angry, important 30 year old with complex medical issues, pressing charges or claiming compensation against the medical establishments that mutilated them as vaunrable children/ teens. The debate will all be around why it was allowed to happen and who is to blame.

Do you really think they don't care, though? My daughter is very "trans ally, TWAW" etc, but when she heard a male-sounding voice outside her public toilet cubicle, she hid in the cubicle until she was sure they'd gone. 🤷‍♀️

Reducing it to toilets

Its more than that, its teaching girls to feel uncomfortable with their body and that the 'solution' to that is that they are a boy
Its recording male sexual offences as being committed by women
Its putting men on female wards and telling rape victims that there was no man on the wards and gaslighting victims into believing they werent raped
Its undermining basic science
Its reducing what is a woman or a man to trousers or a skirt

Your assumption is completely wrong. You may not care. Many women do. Anyone with a vulnerability does.

I hope this happens in wider society. I'm part of a community which does allow/embrace that! Woman with a bald head, long leg hair, cargo shorts most days here! (I often still get dolled up with sparkly shirts and pink nails though!) None of my friends give a shit. My mate, let's call him James, is sometimes in dresses and heels, and sometimes in a suit jacket and tie.
Surrounded by trans/genderqueer/NB people every week, and by people like me who don't fancy a label but still dress alternatively. Also plenty of 'regular looking' men and women. Nobody gives a shit. We all rub along fine.

Unfortunately because we stand behind our trans friends (and don't care where anyone pees) MN probably reckons we're the devil incarnate.

I hope that in 10 years time my friends of all identities (and none) are safe, happy and able to live life freely. Much love to anyone, trans or otherwise, who needs it and reads this.

I dont recognise that this isnt the case. Ive always known this to be the case. Since when cant women crop their hair or men wear sparkly things?
I had a very short hair cut in the late 80s, so did many women I knew

A crazy chapter of history.

I think people (mostly) can dress how they want now. Men in nail varnish and eyeliner - women in dungarees and short hair doesn’t really bat an eyelid does it? Maybe men in a dress and heels but for the most part I think men and women’s dress is pretty unisex now. and in years to come I agree with you I hope that gets better. BUT that doesn’t make people the opposite sex - or Non-binary (which doesn’t exist). Clothes and roles based on ‘gender’ I hope doesn’t exist in the future. Actually I think the concept of gender will disappear. Sex matters though and does exist. And who is standing next to you when you pee bloody well does matter and should always matter.