What do you think the trans debate will look like in 10 years?

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Around 3 years ago I would have called myself a trans ally and fully supportive of trans rights. However over the last 6 months my opinion has changed and I have done more and more research and reading mainly into the impact of trans women on women’s rights and lesbian rights. I’m now firmly of the belief that trans activists are erasing women’s hard fought for rights and threatening the validity and even existence of lesbians. This fills me with rage and i don’t think I’m alone in this shift in opinion (as the recent Supreme Court ruling demonstrated). I read somewhere that there has been quite a large downturn in support for trans rights over the last year. Once again it seems men are in control and, what pisses me off the most is on the many occasions trans activists have assaulted women’s rights activists the police do fuck all about it. For fear of looking transphobic maybe? A year ago I’d have said that in 10 years society would be a fully accepting place for trans people. Now I don’t think so. There appears to be (thankfully) more and more backlash against trans ideology and I think we may be heading for a very different society to what I originally thought. What do you think the trans debate will look like in 10 years?

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There are definitely going to be some of those cases coming. That will be one of the next instalments.

Mmm I’m not so sure that a lot of them are mentally ill. I think it makes up a very small part. I think for the most part it’s teen angst. It’s the odd boss, the depressed teens, the autistic teens, the rebel teens, the one whose home life is awful and they just want to fit in, the gay kids with u supportive family. Someone very clever up thread likened it to being goth. It’s so true, like being a mod, punk rocker, - whatever it was for your generation. Except this one is dangerous. V v dangerous and life changing. Not just for the teens but for the people whose rights they trample all over to get there.

so yeh I think ‘trans’ fall into a few groups 1. The mentally ill (small group), 2. Troubled but normal teen angst and rebellion (majority) 3. Pervy older men with a autogynephilia fettish (quite a lot of the group I’d say).

id be interested to know if anyone has the stats on what makes up the group.

Honestly, all of her trans views. She’s coming across as a mean, mean person.

And she is stirring up fear and transphobia in others. It will not age well. She will go down badly in history.

No she isn’t. Name one!

What "trans views" are those? Do you mean that people cannot change sex?

I think that will age well.

She’s as transphobic as a person is transablist for saying a person who ‘feels’ blind shouldnt have their eyes removed, or a person who ‘feels’ they should have a limb removed really really shouldn’t be ‘affirmed’.

the whole concept of what is transphobic is the problem. To me that is beating or verbally abusing a man in a dress in the street. It’s not calling a man in a dress - a man in a dress.

Sounds like jkr has said lots of things you disagree with.
Can you name one specific thing you particularly find transphobic?

Or is it just...everyone told me she was and I agreed?

Receipts please.

Well, as long as women's spaces are sacrosanct and the men who want to wear dresses go back to using the men's toilets.

On the contrary, she'll be remembered as a heroine who stood up for women's rights.

This. People will be trying to analyse how it got such a tight, damaging hold, and (one hopes) noting how hard-fought women’s rights are tenuously held.

“There have always been trans people, there have always been people who have had sex changes.”

No one in the history of human beings has ever changed sex. HTH.

Stonewall and government ministries will figure prominently...

It’ll look as nuts as the 17th Century Glass Delusion.

Honestly the vitriol for JKR makes me so so cross. To accuse her of being mean!!! That woman literally put her money where her mouth is for women. Campaigns tirelessly for us, paid for a women only shelter for us, and now the JKR legal funding. I mean what a bitch! This woman has put her time, money, and even her safety on the line over and over again to help other women - and then ‘be kind’ women have a go at her. What have they done for women? Fuck all I’m guessing except letting bob in a dress pee next to them cos they are kind.

grrrr

they can’t ever give direct quotes or specific reasons for why they believe JK is a hateful bigot. It’s all just wah wah wah repeated insults secondhand from reddit

Yep it’s the Thicky McThicky from Thick Town response
“…well everyone on some internet forum says it so I don’t need to have a mind of my own on the issue. I fully believe it without all the tediousness of thinking or reading and I’m going to abuse anyone who doesn’t agree. They’re usually just moany old Karens anyway. See I’m the clever one. None of that wasting time bollocks for me…”
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She dared to say that men cannot be women. She denied the gospel. Therefore she must be burned.

.................there have always been people who have had sex changes

No, there really haven't, because it isn't possible for people to change sex.

Probably like PIE is now, completely forgotten and nobody would believe it if there wasn't video proof. And all the people advocating for it will shift uncomfortably if it's ever brought up, and insist they never really supported it, or if they did it's because they were just a well-meaning innocent who'd been duped by bad actors.

Hopefully.

Looking at you, Harriet Harman.

Some of us don't forget...

I’d love it for all the ridiculous made up genders to disappear, and people to just express their personality. And for the word ‘gender’ to go back to being just another word for ‘sex’ ie. male or female.

I think there will be far fewer people declaring themselves trans because of a fetish for Spanish airports, once they know they can’t stomp over women’s rights.

I hope that gender dysphoria is treated in the same way as any other body dysphoria or mental delusions. And that children get left to grow up with their bodies intact.

It's so sad that people like you and your friends, who sound like lovely open minded people who want to leave old fashioned ideas of gender behind, have somehow been persuaded that trans identities align with your values rather than being the antithesis of tolerance and acceptance. 😥

Trans gender identities can only exist if everyone else is reduced to one dimensional "cis" chariactures against which the trans personality can be performed. The assumption that most people are "cis" people who naturally embrace the unfair social constraints of their sex is literally the only thing that gives trans identities meaning. Tolerance is demanded for the trans person but gendered personalities are arbitrariily imposed on everyone else.

True openmindedness to gender is to accept that sex is real and that men and women are people of any type of personality and presentation and a male/female body.

It's so obvious, it amazes me so many people who see accepting men as women because their personality is somehow incompatible with manhood as challenging of gender norms can't see this huge flaw in the proposition.

True openmindedness to gender is to accept that sex is real and that men and women are people of any type of personality and presentation and a male/female body.

exactly! The only way to be a woman is to be born a juvenile female human and grow into an adult one, other than that do what you like!

women can wear dresses or trousers or boiler suits or bow ties or whatever , have long hair, short hair or no hair, wear heels ur not, wear make up or not, sleep with men or women or both. Watch football or bake off or love island or all of them

anything, anything women want to do is ‘living as a woman’ because theyre a woman and theyre doing it

men LARPing stereotypical female dress and behaviours are not women and it’s bloody insulting to think womanhood can be reduced to a costume and a performance