What do you think the trans debate will look like in 10 years?

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Around 3 years ago I would have called myself a trans ally and fully supportive of trans rights. However over the last 6 months my opinion has changed and I have done more and more research and reading mainly into the impact of trans women on women’s rights and lesbian rights. I’m now firmly of the belief that trans activists are erasing women’s hard fought for rights and threatening the validity and even existence of lesbians. This fills me with rage and i don’t think I’m alone in this shift in opinion (as the recent Supreme Court ruling demonstrated). I read somewhere that there has been quite a large downturn in support for trans rights over the last year. Once again it seems men are in control and, what pisses me off the most is on the many occasions trans activists have assaulted women’s rights activists the police do fuck all about it. For fear of looking transphobic maybe? A year ago I’d have said that in 10 years society would be a fully accepting place for trans people. Now I don’t think so. There appears to be (thankfully) more and more backlash against trans ideology and I think we may be heading for a very different society to what I originally thought. What do you think the trans debate will look like in 10 years?

Personally, I hope that all the children who received gender affirming care will have received hefty payouts for the medical harms inflicted on them and that those who championed such medications and treatment are held to account. I think those in society who were allies will quietly reverse ferret and minimise their support for an ideology which has waged untold harms on society and women’s rights.

I think there will be far more understanding of sex based stereotypes and acceptance of all males within the male world, a lessening of internalised homophobia and mysoginy and more understanding of autism. Toxic masculinity will be treated as a social contagion and Andrew Tate as a Jimmy Saville type figure of the day. 70 years though.

No one’s stopping you existing. They’re just saying ‘Present yourself however you like, but don’t expect other people to deny sex-based biological realities for the sake of your fiction, or for women’s hard-won rights to be sacrificed for your sake. You figure it out.’

But trans-identified men don't want to "just exist". They want to use women's spaces for their own validation and/or kicks. They want women to call themselves "cis women", because we must define ourselves by whether we're trans or not. They want to change the language, they want to play in our sports, they want to go to our colleges, they want to be in our prisons, in our changing rooms, taking our awards and prizes. Etc etc.

This. The fact that autistic teenagers very, very often struggle intensely with the belief that they are not feeling "normal" and something is "wrong with them" especially around puberty, will hopefully be understood by education and health professionals. This is a reason for making the world more neurodiversity accepting/ friendly and helping neurodiverse teenagers cope with the changes puberty brings (social and emotional as much as physical).

Hopefully the marketing driven swing towards gendered toys and clothes will be recognised and rejected and children can just play with whatever toy and wear whatever clothes, and have whatever hair length without unnecessary meaning being read into it. The whole thing of having an aisle of pink girls toys and an aisle of blue boys toys was just the demonic brainchild of marketing and sales people - sell more toys if you can't pass big sister's toys down to little brother... The same for prepubescent children's clothing to dome degree - no reason two year old Freddie has to wear a brown t-shirt with dinosaurs and one year old Ava has to have pink t-shirts with unicorns, but if you believe that Freddie 's tshirts can't be passed down to Ava you have to buy double!

People in 10 years will look back at a time where convicted male sex offenders were placed in the female prison estate deliberately as part of Government Executive agency policy, where rape survivors were found to have been harmed by organisations so in thrall to an ideology that they told women to 'reframe their trauma' and when women were told that requesting that the examiner examining them after their rape was female made them irredeemable bigots, with utter horror and incredulity.

There will be lectures at Universities, exploring how institutional capture took such a stranglehold over the Government, the NHS, the Police etc etc who were influenced to such an extent by lobbying groups that they chose to ignore the single sex provisions as stated in the EQA2010. There will be essays written about how elected representatives openly told women that their views weren't valid and stood under signs calling for the decapitation of women with very little censure or consequences.

There will be books written about the collective madness which took hold on social media in particular of the idea that humans, a species in which sex is immutable, are able to 'change sex' through taking wrong sex hormones, undergoing extreme cosmetic surgery or just self id'ing. And where threats of rape and violence against women were handwaved away because women saying no made men sad.

It will be seen as a time where the public lost confidence in institutions because those responsible for the oversight of those organisations showed themselves to be craven, cowardly and credulous.

I really hope you are right. Because it seems like the SC ruling has been ignored generally.

So did I, but things have gone backwards since the 80s.

It took you til just 6 months ago til you realised that trans activists are violent, disordered men who hate women?

When I think about how things will look in ten years time, I worry a lot about the young women involved, especially those in America, who are currently having their breasts removed and taking large amounts of testosterone. And the ones having ‘phalloplasties’. I wonder how their health will be in ten years. How many of them will still be alive.

I was watching a Buck Angel video about phalloplasty yesterday and although I already knew how awful it was, I felt shocked all over again at the brutality of it, and the willingness of surgeons to do such an extreme cosmetic surgery which so often goes wrong. Isn’t it something like 75% of patients having complications and needing further surgeries? Even when it goes ‘well’, the results are really nothing like a real male body. I don’t know how much ‘trans joy’ there’s going to be when these young women realise they have fucked their long term health. Or when they get to 30 or so and think ‘actually I’d quite like to have a baby’. I worry for those young women.

Let us welcome the new converts, not berate them!

An enquiry into why so many organisations threw REAL WOMEN under the bus to make way for men with gender dysphoria or mental health illness.

An enquiry into why so many parents, teachers and others sold children the lie that if you don't feel happy in 'your body' you can 'change sex' you cannot change from male to female etc.

Sadly, a rise in suicides amongst young adults who have done irreparable damage to their bodies and realise they believed a lie.

Hopefully, prosecutions of people that pushed, promoted and shoved this nonsense of change of sex and the ridiculous notion that men who are trans can be women. Trans women or men who think they are women will never, ever, ever, be women. It's impossible. They are men in dresses whether they chop bits off or add bits of plastic is irrelevant since their entire DNA is male.

Very pro trans nonsense that comes out.

What did JKR say that upset you so much that wasn't biologically factual? Surely you realise that sex is not changeable and it's in your genetics? A dress and swirly earrings with name change does not make a women out of a man. Surgery doesn't make a woman out of a man and vice versa.

People who don't love themselves as they are forcing others to pretend they have magically changed to the opposite sex doesn't help mental health issues.

Have you seen the growth in men who identify as women in shootings? Mental illness and affirming these men doesn't help. I don't want men in women's toilets, safe spaces, prisons and I will not affirm men who pretend to be women. They can live as they like but cannot force me to pretend along with them.

There is no debate over trans rights, they have all the same rights as everyone else.

The debate is about women's rights.

Which is why it has been women who have had to bring their discrimination cases to court, not transpeople.

This is also why Stonewall's slogan was 'no debate'. They did not want women to have a voice.