Owner of Tattle Life named

[BeardofHagrid]

The owner of hate forum Tattle Life has today been legally named as Sebastian Bond. He also goes by the alias Bastian Durward. He has tried to flee to Asia to avoid paying his legal costs.

https://goss.ie/featured/everything-we-know-about-the-owner-of-tattle-life-as-he-is-finally-named-423238

A NI judge would have no jurisdiction to do that anyways

The Tattle owner/his companies only has a certain amount of money, when it’s gone, it’s gone. Others can rush to sue him and may be awarded compensation and their costs paid but if this guy has no money left, they won’t see a penny. He can liquidate his companies and declare himself bankrupt.

I don't know where they have all got this from. One of them must have just made it up and now they've all jumped on it. No one has ever said all the individual users are going to be exposed. It's a complete load of rubbish. The identity of individual users who never posted on that particular thread is completely irrelevant to the case.

If someone has posted something defamatory and they are identifiable, they could be sued individually. That has always been the case. Suing someone for defamation is ridiculously expensive though, and also embarrassing. See case in point - Vardy v Rooney.

I didn't have a thread started about me. I was discussed on a thread dedicated to someone else. For context. Some of the people who post on certain threads - like Jack Monroe look at peoples twitter accounts and post screenshots of their tweets - they refer to them as squigs, because they will post something that the person said on twitter about Monroe with the name blanked out. That's what happens sometimes - people on tattle will go looking for stuff that will spark content and they'll see a tweet and they'll then start discussing (or bitching) about the person who made the tweet.

The person's thread that I was discussed on isn't an influencer -, they are a grifter (allegedly) and they absolutely don't have 10000 followers. The issue I had is that I had no right of reply as I'm not on tattle and that the site had zero interest in taking the stuff down. (There's apparently a rule on that section that you aren't supposed to drag the chat off topic, it used to be enforced quite strictly but it isn't now).

Those who are taking Sebastian’s side, ask yourselves why - if he truly believes in all this free speech, social commentary, holding people to account stuff - there isn’t a thread about his Nest and Glow page which has over 135k followers? If Sebastian thinks it’s so important to critique other influencers, where are the threads delving into his Companies House, calling him the C word, saying his face looks like a joint of boiled gammon and that his terrible vegan recipes are shite?

I saw someone post a screenshot of the man that Bex was seeing. She used to have a thread dedicated to her on the bloggers site. It was a screenshot from his Facebook page and he was named. It was taken down though. I also think the dad of Jack Monroes son was named on her thread and photos of him were posted up as well.

Well it's obviously clear why he used an alias for years - Helen, he obviously doesn't want to be associated with the worst parts of the site.

I’ve seen ones saying freedom of information act etc will disclose everything I thought that was just for public bodies like nhs and police etc I may be wrong

No judge is going to do that. There's nothing criminal about being a member of tattle.

What may happen is if a user is specifically being sued for something considered libel, the court could order the site to give what information they had about that person.

Which may be fuck all tbh. A generic email, maybe they use a vpn etc. If they've never posted anything identifiable it may not be possible to trace them. well, possible but maybe not worth the resources it would require.

What would be considered libel? And am I correct in thinking it would have to be identified and approached within a year? IE the influencers couldnt pull up a message from 3 years ago and try to sue using that. I read that somewhere but couldn't figure out what it was about.

Ultimately I think theyre probably going after the deletion of the site. I'm assuming the reason the 300k was awarded was because Tattle didn't remove the defamatory posts when asked. And this was in 2021 with the court awarding it in 2023 so I would assume all users would have been outed by now or at least aware that it was happening. I imagine the influencers will go after those who are persistent on their threads now and who have been really digging into them not some random Joe Bloggs who said they hated their outfit etc.

I think this is a really tricky situation for anyone to navigate now. If we're policing the whole of social media then are all forums are going to be in trouble?

@Toastedpickle urrgh I didn't know that about Ingham and girls

Anyone who creates content and publishes it online is 'fair game' to be criticised. And it's not like those god awful drawings have only been slagged off on Tattle...I've seen them mocked/parodied on just about every social media platform going...X, Facebook, Blue Sky, IG etc

I'm self employed, so I doubt my employer will give a flying fuck.

My family/friends would give even less of one.

This all happened back in 2023, so I think it would have happened by now, anyway...

She’s saying trust me like she knows something? Nah they can go after users but they won’t get far.
they want it deleted cos let’s be honest they can afford it but ultimately don’t want to spend too much of their own money

And also they can’t “go after everyone on the site” because it isn’t illegal to be on it!!

Go after them for what? Saying so and so is a bit fat? They have something like 300k users. You need deep pockets to do that. Also as I said upthread being a member of a forum is not a crime. Posting email addresses of the people on the forum probably would be a crime. They could maybe go after individual posters but even then I think you’d need to prove financial loss.

If other people want to sue that's fair enough but I don't think it's conceivable that every single person who has ever posted on tattle is going to be traced and sued if that's their implication.

No one is going to face action for being judgemental online. On a website that was set up for people to be gossiped about. The only people who would sue are people that can afford it and if they've been badly defamed and have a strong case. Like Jack Monroe raised money to sue Lee Anderson and didn't go through with it. It's risky. No one on tattle is going to end up in court for being judgemental.

Well some people have been called fat, ugly, dirty, had affairs with no proof. People's kids have been commented on. One during the week referred to a 9 year old lovely little girl as tubby. What if that little girl comes across a thread on her mother and sees the horrible stuff written about her mother and herself. Other comments are some influencers only have children to get a council house. These influencers are privately renting but regardless if they do get a council property whst is wrong with that? It is so hard for people to get on the property ladder these days.

Think about it, this period now is to scare everyone into deleting their account and coming off it and/ or forcing the owner to decide fuck it and close it down. They win and get what they want without having to spend a penny doing so.

I am aware of how horrible some of the site is - but people are not going to be sued for criticising someone online. It's where it's defamatory then the person on the receiving end has grounds for legal action.

I honestly think they have to come after you within a year and they would have to prove you have said something that caused a loss of earnings. I think it has to be very specific though. I would argue if all of this is exposed, everyone who comments on a Facebook thread post could and should be sued.

Social media would get very messy

Nothing is going to happen to people who post there now, in the past or in the future.
No one is going to be “outed” for anything they have posted.
No one is going to be sued for anything they have posted.
Most people aren’t even aware of tattle.

I will say it again - go and look at The Mail online, on Instagram, on here, even! It’s full of comments that could be considered derogatory- although that is subjective so couldn’t be “proven” anyway. If anyone sued or a judge ordered the people behind these comments be made public, that would be the end of free speech as we know it.
I’m not saying it’s ok to call people fat or comment on people’s looks. I don’t even believe that is the majority of what is discussed on Tattle anyway. But the fact is, it has always happened and always will if we want people to be allowed an opinion and speak freely.

It is on the mods and the websites to ensure this is kept within legal boundaries - ie, you can’t destroy a business with untrue claims. Like in this case.

The majority of influencers I know of aren’t the brightest, I think they are getting a little confused about this. They are also trying to scare people into not using tattle - ask yourself why they want this free speech shut down, mostly it’s because they are called out for exploiting their children or faking their lives or selling stuff that doesn’t work.

I can’t thing of any open forum in history which had to divulge who was using it and I can’t imagine how this would work for any threads or comments online, be it X, Facebook etc etc.
The influencers think they have all the cards at the moment but they’re gonna be disappointed.

Just had a look at nest and glow and it looks like it’s just recipes and pictures of food - literally nothing worth discussing 😅