Brigette macron hits Emmanuel

[Stressedout150]

has anyone seen this on the news?! What do we all think, it’s all a bit bizarre

Do you always excuse domestic abuse?

Madonna men are adults when they meet. Over 18.

Too many excuses for BM actions on this thread, when she is a walking red flag based on her past, long before we witnessed the violence.
Poor man has been groomed and now physically assaulted. Vile woman.

I am really puzzled at the people trying to somehow explain this away as if there is a context that is in any way important. She very suddenly pushed him in the face with both hands when he was waiting for her to leave the plane with him. It was a physical attack. It matters not that he is President of France and he could leave as he would have the means. He’s still a human being who we saw being subject to domestic abuse by his wife.

Also anyone who has empathy for him and has also been suffered abuse is “projecting” (must be one of the most over used words on this forum) or a Russian bot? (absolutely no idea on that one).

@CandidLurker ...or a "pearl clutcher"😡
You're right. It's clear what actually happened.
I don't know why it's being excused.

Why is that the most obvious reason? People argue, have moods about many things without straying being involved. Maybe she's in pain, I'm a similar age and long journeys can leave me with stiff joints and can make you grumpy, maybe she dropped her favourite sunglasses and he accidentally stood on them. Maybe he said something that upset her. People seem a bit obsessed about sex and there are other things in life. Whatever it is never ok to put your hands on someone in an aggressive way.

Just a point about the plane they were on. It's the French equivalent of Airforce 1 and for the President/spouse would be like a luxury hotel suite with proper bedrooms. There is no comparison in terms of comfort with even First Class on an ordinary aircraft.

I'm sure that this incident will be brushed away and we'll never find out much more than we know now. Maybe the only legacy will be the fact that spin aside, minimisation and excuses aside, many see proof that however rich, powerful (and male) you are, DA can happen.

Fair enough! One of the obvious reasons then!

And I totally agree it’s never ok to put your hands on someone in an agressive way.

I can’t quite see in the first picture; but she is putting her fingers on either side of his nose; like she is saying please don’t you dare come near me to kiss me (or whatever) when I’ve just spent two hours doing my hair and make up and am about to appear before the world’s press.

The second photo looks like his attention is more on the open door and. the waiting press rather than her hands. His shoulder look fairly relaxed.

For the nth time; I am not excusing physical violence which is never acceptable, even in jest. I am merely observing what it looks like to me. I may not be correct.

@Haretodaybadgertomorrow what is happening is much clearer in the film footage rather than the stills (it is to me, anyway)

What it looks like to you? You're making suppositions about her hair and her makeup! You have no idea what happened before.
However, she was physically abusive and I don't know why people are seeking to minimise or excuse it.

This is exactly what I'm going to say next time a woman or child is in the same position 🙄

It’s because he’s a man.
many people on mumsnet will minimise or deny violence against a man.

You are excusing it and you would not dare to post that on a thread with a woman victim

Can you imagine - the doors open on Air Force One and Obama was seen doing the very same thing to Michelle?
He wouldn't last the week.

Or more in theme with Mme M's actions, if Michelle did that to Barack.

Exactly and of course the most obvious reason is a man is straying. Women are never in the wrong are they? She assaults him and obviously he's in the wrong and what's the worst thing we can think of? Oh yes he's straying.

I have arthritis in my hips, travelling is an issue regardless of luxury. Not having the familiar seat that is just perfect, just not being as relaxed as in your own space at home can all add to the discomfort I feel all the time. I'm very close in age to her and it isn't unusual to have joint pain at my age and yes I can be grumpy because of the pain but I've never hit anyone because of it but if I was more inclined to violence I might. So yes there are various things that might be going on and I don't think him straying is necessarily the most obvious although of course it is possible, it is also possible she's the one straying and he just found out and challenged her.

Did you meet him when he was 15 and you were his teacher?

Indeed - the same. She would have been absolutely accused of abusive behaviour.

It's also possible that none of the above happened.

Of course it is, that's the point. People jumping in with he must have deserved it, we don't know if he hit her first, he's obviously been straying is all just making stuff up. If it's OK to make stuff up to excuse her maybe we can make stuff up that excuses him, not that he should need to be excused for being a victim of her violence.

The one thing we do know is that she pushed him in the face and that this is never justifiable however hard people try.

Yes, and the knots people are tying themselves into, in order to blame her.

Oh Bless You

Even if so, a silly 15 year old developing a crush on their teacher would be nothing new, and the normal response from a responsible adult would be to make themselves unavailable - something which would have been very easy to do if Macron was having to get the train from Paris to visit her

Unfortunately that's not what the disgusting woman chose to do, and the rest is history

This isn’t ok for an adult I agree.

*ScarlettOYara *

FWIW I am not “people” seeking to minimise or excuse dv. I am saying I am not sure that that is what we have seen! It may be. Or it may not be! She may have been frustrated and behaved violently which is not ok. She may have been removing something angrily from his nose. She may have been joking around but it as quite forceful if that was the case. I am looking at it objectively as a neutral bystander would. That doesn’t make me a supporter of domestic abuse!

And what is wrong about my comment about about her hair and make up? It’s an 11.5 hr flight from Paris to Hanoi fhs! They were about to be greeted at the airport by dignitaries and a group of photographers and journalists. Are you really telling me that she wouldn’t get ready in the last hour or so and make herself presentable? That assumption is based on commonb sense surely?