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Messy situation - pregnant with wfb's baby

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Namechanged140525 · 14/05/2025 21:43

Very tricky situation, I am neither of these people, but I'm trying to help as much as I can but don't know what advice to give. I am friends with Sarah and know of Joe.

Let's call the woman Sarah and the man Joe.

Sarah is a British citizen, she is 45 years oldand has four children, 20, almost 18, 13, and 10 (two eldest and two youngest have different fathers)

Sarah divorced her first husband after he became a drug addict, her second husband suddenly passed away. A year or two later she met a 20 year old man, Joe (now 24), non-British (this is relevant for the story) on a dating app. They dated for a couple of years but decided to break up as Joe's parents are very religious and wouldn't accept Sarah.
Sarah and Joe remain best friends and have casual sex.
A while later, Joe announces that since his student visa's expired, he has to move back to his home country (all his family including parents and siblings still live in the UK).
Sarah offers to go to his home country and the two youngest kids to visit.
Sarah falls in love with the country despite not speaking the language and decides to move there a few months later with her two youngest children.

Joe and Sarah are still casual, he sometimes sleep over at hers, he doesn't have a permanent address and airbnb hops, but she stays at his from time to time too. Joe gets along with the children and even accompanied them and Sarah on the kids' first day of school.

Sarah unexpectedly gets pregnant. Joe asks her not to tell his parents and suggests an abortion, Sarah wants to keep the baby and tells his parents, in the hope that they will make him see some sense.
The whole family blocks her and Joe ghosts her, move out from his airbnb, and is nowhere to be found.

Sarah is a (smallish) social media influencer.
She calls him out and publicly posts his name and socials.

Joe is unaware of it and shared all his details including his phone number on said socials.
He doesn't want to be a father, he is now engaged to a girl his age as his parents disapprove of the age gap.
Joe and Sarah live in a religious country where having children out of wedlock is a crime.

What would you do?
Also, would you let Joe know?
Sarah refuses to take down his details

OP posts:
nomas · 15/05/2025 06:59

BeyondTheReef · 15/05/2025 03:23

Is he Muslim? I don’t remember the op confirming that, must’ve missed it.

That is the assumption most people have made on the thread.

JHound · 15/05/2025 07:02

Sarah is an idiot.

2025willbemytime · 15/05/2025 07:03

There's nothing you can do to help someone so deluded. I'd be asking for help for the younger children. Yoir focus should be on them, not her.

MoreChocPls · 15/05/2025 07:08

I’d report her to social services as she’s being very silly and potentially harming her kids. Of course she can get arrested, how stupid to say she can’t.

Mirroar · 15/05/2025 07:10

Namechanged140525 · 14/05/2025 22:01

She spoke to a lawyer and apparently since she is not a citizen of that country, she can't get arrested.

This is false. She's being a fool.

BringontheSunAgain · 15/05/2025 07:11

I don't know why you're so invested.

What is your connection to this woman?

It's all very cloak and dagger.

TooGoodToGoto · 15/05/2025 07:15

Mirroar · 15/05/2025 07:10

This is false. She's being a fool.

Or she is telling lies, she doesn’t seem very stable IMO.

ButterfliesnWaterfalls · 15/05/2025 07:25

Lol. Talk about a religion without naming the religion 😉

LynetteScavo · 15/05/2025 07:29

I would imagine Sarah is living off her husbands life insurance payout and the house sale, rather than from her social media influencing. I would advise Sarah to take down the posts identifying Joe. I would advise Sarah to come back to the UK to give birth and register the baby, and not have the father on the birth certificate, but I doubt very much she’ll do that. Does she have support around her to raise a baby in that country?
strangely I can believe all of this because I’ve had friends who have also made some reckless life choices - generally I keep them at a distance of social media, because I find them too much in RL.

CoCoJones26 · 15/05/2025 07:37

Sounds too weird to be true.....like a story in someone's head....

TheyFuckYouUpYourMamAndDad · 15/05/2025 07:58

I call bullshit! Sounds like an episode on Jackanory!

Khanga27 · 15/05/2025 08:03

Is she in Qatar? If so then this is from UK government website which suggests that she too would be subject to laws:
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/qatar/safety-and-security#:~:text=Relationships%20outside%20marriage&text=You%20can%20be%20arrested%20and,could%20face%20imprisonment%20or%20deportation.

Relationships outside marriage
Any intimacy in public, between any couples (including between teenagers), can lead to arrest.
Couples living together while unmarried is illegal in Qatar. Sex outside marriage is illegal for both same-sex and opposite-sex couples. You can be arrested and punishments can include a fine, a custodial sentence and deportation once the sentence is complete.
Because of laws on sex outside marriage, if someone becomes pregnant outside marriage, both partners could face imprisonment or deportation. Doctors will ask for proof of marriage during antenatal checks.
An unmarried woman who gives birth in Qatar may also face problems registering the birth of the child in Qatar, and could be arrested, imprisoned or deported. To get a birth certificate from the Qatari authorities, you must provide a marriage certificate. Authorities may compare the marriage date against the estimated date of conception.

Safety and security - Qatar travel advice

Latest FCDO travel advice for Qatar. Includes safety and security, insurance, entry requirements and legal differences.

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/qatar/safety-and-security#:~:text=Relationships%20outside%20marriage&text=You%20can%20be%20arrested%20and,could%20face%20imprisonment%20or%20deportation.

RampantIvy · 15/05/2025 08:04

I'm sorry. I just don't buy this either.
It sounds like the plot of a Ch5 drama.

summerscomingsoon · 15/05/2025 09:22

blacksax · 14/05/2025 23:25

I wouldn't believe a word of what Sarah tells you

Me neither.

This

SunsetCocktails · 15/05/2025 09:37

FeyreandRhysand · 15/05/2025 06:32

This can’t be true. You can’t leave and return same day as a “loophole”, there are minimum time periods before you’re able to return, usually 3 months. OPs having us on.

I’m sure there’s somewhere in Asia where you can get away with leaving for 24/48 hours, I think Thailand. Bureaucracy there can be pretty lax.

thegirlwithemousyhair · 15/05/2025 09:48

Where to begin.......how about having a "relationship" with a guy only a few years older than your son and not using contraception. I think that pretty much sums it up.

Knittedfairies2 · 15/05/2025 12:31

Unless she has diplomatic immunity, she can be arrested. I don't think even that would protect her from arrest/prosecution in some circumstances. Sarah is an idiot for putting herself and, and more importantly, her children, in such a vulnerable situation - if this is true.

JobhuntingDespair · 15/05/2025 12:38

@tartyflette
I think it's Pakistan, a mostly moslem, socially conservative country.

It can't be Pakistan, the visa rules are far too strict if she's on a UK passport.

@SunsetCocktails
I’m sure there’s somewhere in Asia where you can get away with leaving for 24/48 hours, I think Thailand. Bureaucracy there can be pretty lax.

Several SE Asian countries you can leave and come back on the same day. If it was Thailand she'd have to have bought several 3 month tourist visas in advance (visa on arrival by land border is only 2 weeks) and I'm not sure how many they'd grant. Malaysia she'd get 3 months visa free entry each time, but I think they'd ask more questions/want to see evidence of a flight back to the UK/funds you are supporting yourself with. Perhaps if you have enough funds they let you keep doing it though!

Just helping OP with her research if this is a story... if it's not, her friend is skating on very thin ice.

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