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Messy situation - pregnant with wfb's baby

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Namechanged140525 · 14/05/2025 21:43

Very tricky situation, I am neither of these people, but I'm trying to help as much as I can but don't know what advice to give. I am friends with Sarah and know of Joe.

Let's call the woman Sarah and the man Joe.

Sarah is a British citizen, she is 45 years oldand has four children, 20, almost 18, 13, and 10 (two eldest and two youngest have different fathers)

Sarah divorced her first husband after he became a drug addict, her second husband suddenly passed away. A year or two later she met a 20 year old man, Joe (now 24), non-British (this is relevant for the story) on a dating app. They dated for a couple of years but decided to break up as Joe's parents are very religious and wouldn't accept Sarah.
Sarah and Joe remain best friends and have casual sex.
A while later, Joe announces that since his student visa's expired, he has to move back to his home country (all his family including parents and siblings still live in the UK).
Sarah offers to go to his home country and the two youngest kids to visit.
Sarah falls in love with the country despite not speaking the language and decides to move there a few months later with her two youngest children.

Joe and Sarah are still casual, he sometimes sleep over at hers, he doesn't have a permanent address and airbnb hops, but she stays at his from time to time too. Joe gets along with the children and even accompanied them and Sarah on the kids' first day of school.

Sarah unexpectedly gets pregnant. Joe asks her not to tell his parents and suggests an abortion, Sarah wants to keep the baby and tells his parents, in the hope that they will make him see some sense.
The whole family blocks her and Joe ghosts her, move out from his airbnb, and is nowhere to be found.

Sarah is a (smallish) social media influencer.
She calls him out and publicly posts his name and socials.

Joe is unaware of it and shared all his details including his phone number on said socials.
He doesn't want to be a father, he is now engaged to a girl his age as his parents disapprove of the age gap.
Joe and Sarah live in a religious country where having children out of wedlock is a crime.

What would you do?
Also, would you let Joe know?
Sarah refuses to take down his details

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floppybit · 14/05/2025 23:42

What country is she in? We can’t really advise on what will happen with the baby without knowing as different countries have different rules!

TunipTheVegimal24 · 14/05/2025 23:42

Viviennemary · 14/05/2025 22:19

Sarah is irresponsible and selfish. She acts more like 15 than a mature woman with a family. She needs to grow up and get a grip. Probably better if Joe's mum adopts the baby as Sarah isn't even capable of behaving in a remotely sensible way.

Actually I hadn't even considered this, but could be true! Depends on joe awful "Joe's" family are. There's not much info about them here, all we know is that they are religious, which is really common, and that they don't want their son anywhere near "Sarah", which is understandable. Sarah sounds like a train wreck, so the bar to beat is pretty low.

steff13 · 14/05/2025 23:43

Banmooo · 14/05/2025 23:23

Lol. That's not how it works in any country. Sarah's telling porkies.

Can you imagine? I'm tired of working, maybe I'll go to this country and go on a crime spree and rob a bunch of banks.

Namechanged140525 · 14/05/2025 23:44

IberianBird · 14/05/2025 23:38

I'm struggling to believe this is true! Where is this magical country where bills are only £40 a month and she can work, get a bank account and her kids go to school without being legal.....

She leaves the borders and comes back on the same day every few months as a loophole.
She works remotely, as for the bank and the school, I'm not sure how she did it. I just know she struggled with the bank a little, but she told me the school didn't ask for anything.

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Iloveburgerswaymorethanishould · 14/05/2025 23:44

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 14/05/2025 23:00

I don’t think you will be able to sell this plot outline.

I’ve never read a post before and thought someone was looking for help with a book…. But this????? I stopped reading for a while and have recently found my book mojo again (anyone know what mojo actually means?? lol) so maybe I’m seeing or reading, novels everywhere. But this really reads like the author has reached a point in said story they need to fine tune to prevent a plot hole!! The age of said friend caught my eye… 45? Or am I just tired lol!!

TunipTheVegimal24 · 14/05/2025 23:44

Namechanged140525 · 14/05/2025 23:38

She doesn't have any family besides her four children.

She went no contact with her parents (who were abusive) and siblings and her in-laws passed away.

That's why she is so reluctant to move back.

She has at least one close friend though, presumably more?

AnonAnonmystery · 14/05/2025 23:45

I might get shot down in flames her but I think Sarah was trying to convert from
casual shag status to wife by getting pregnant. She sounds determined and relentless, like who moves to another country with dc in tow for the occasional shah? There’s a lot of dick in the UK surely?

Iloveburgerswaymorethanishould · 14/05/2025 23:45

Namechanged140525 · 14/05/2025 21:43

Very tricky situation, I am neither of these people, but I'm trying to help as much as I can but don't know what advice to give. I am friends with Sarah and know of Joe.

Let's call the woman Sarah and the man Joe.

Sarah is a British citizen, she is 45 years oldand has four children, 20, almost 18, 13, and 10 (two eldest and two youngest have different fathers)

Sarah divorced her first husband after he became a drug addict, her second husband suddenly passed away. A year or two later she met a 20 year old man, Joe (now 24), non-British (this is relevant for the story) on a dating app. They dated for a couple of years but decided to break up as Joe's parents are very religious and wouldn't accept Sarah.
Sarah and Joe remain best friends and have casual sex.
A while later, Joe announces that since his student visa's expired, he has to move back to his home country (all his family including parents and siblings still live in the UK).
Sarah offers to go to his home country and the two youngest kids to visit.
Sarah falls in love with the country despite not speaking the language and decides to move there a few months later with her two youngest children.

Joe and Sarah are still casual, he sometimes sleep over at hers, he doesn't have a permanent address and airbnb hops, but she stays at his from time to time too. Joe gets along with the children and even accompanied them and Sarah on the kids' first day of school.

Sarah unexpectedly gets pregnant. Joe asks her not to tell his parents and suggests an abortion, Sarah wants to keep the baby and tells his parents, in the hope that they will make him see some sense.
The whole family blocks her and Joe ghosts her, move out from his airbnb, and is nowhere to be found.

Sarah is a (smallish) social media influencer.
She calls him out and publicly posts his name and socials.

Joe is unaware of it and shared all his details including his phone number on said socials.
He doesn't want to be a father, he is now engaged to a girl his age as his parents disapprove of the age gap.
Joe and Sarah live in a religious country where having children out of wedlock is a crime.

What would you do?
Also, would you let Joe know?
Sarah refuses to take down his details

Nope, 45!!!!

Helpmeplease2025 · 14/05/2025 23:46

Sarah (if she’s even real), is an idiot. But as an influencer, we already knew that.

Namechanged140525 · 14/05/2025 23:47

TunipTheVegimal24 · 14/05/2025 23:42

Actually I hadn't even considered this, but could be true! Depends on joe awful "Joe's" family are. There's not much info about them here, all we know is that they are religious, which is really common, and that they don't want their son anywhere near "Sarah", which is understandable. Sarah sounds like a train wreck, so the bar to beat is pretty low.

They all seemed like decent people at first, but Sarah's convinced they encouraged Joe to run off.
Joe was very supportive up until she told his mum.
He called her the next day or a couple days later saying his mum was concerned, and then radio silence.

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LurkyMcLurkinson · 14/05/2025 23:47

You can’t reason with stupidity or delusion. While she’s making reckless decisions in pursuit of a relationship with someone the same age as one of her kids and whose brain hasn’t stopped developing, while she’s pretending she isn’t doing that, and while she’s deluded in to thinking she’s untouchable in that country, you aren’t going to get her to make reasonable decisions. Her poor kids.

WhichWaytoHere · 14/05/2025 23:51

The older kids are with the drug addict father?

blacksax · 14/05/2025 23:52

The whole situation is unbelievable really.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 14/05/2025 23:53

Hang on. She thinks that because she isn't a citizen that the country's laws don't apply to her?

Seriously?

No. Really. Seriously?

Her brain is still in its original packaging, isn't it? Mint fucking condition.

samarrange · 14/05/2025 23:53

steff13 · 14/05/2025 23:43

Can you imagine? I'm tired of working, maybe I'll go to this country and go on a crime spree and rob a bunch of banks.

I assume the "can't get arrested" thing refers to "can't get arrested for the specific crime of having sex/getting pregnant outside of marriage", not that foreigners have carte blanche with the entire criminal justice system.

That might just about be true, although since I assume this is a Muslim-majority country exceptions like that tend to apply to non-Muslims rather than non-citizens, and Sarah has apparently converted.

Other than that the whole story seems totally bonkers...

TunipTheVegimal24 · 14/05/2025 23:54

Namechanged140525 · 14/05/2025 23:47

They all seemed like decent people at first, but Sarah's convinced they encouraged Joe to run off.
Joe was very supportive up until she told his mum.
He called her the next day or a couple days later saying his mum was concerned, and then radio silence.

That doesn't necessarily make them bad though, or unable to take care of a baby.

I would advise my sons to stay away from a woman 20 years their senior, who seemed unhinged and to be borderline stalking them.

Are you sure she really is pregnant? Or is it like the religion change - something she is saying to hang on to him? Surely it must be a rarity for women in their mid to late 40s, to get pregnant by accident?

Todayisaday · 14/05/2025 23:54

Sarah is an idiot. Sorry to say.
Sarah is playing with fire and could end up in a lot of hot water.
Quite a few countries will jail you for slander on social media. Lets hope she is not in one of them.
Sarah is dicing with fire having a baby in a country where she could get arrested.
Sarah should pack up everything, delete her social media posts and return to the uk with her children immediatly.

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 14/05/2025 23:55

blacksax · 14/05/2025 23:52

The whole situation is unbelievable really.

It's one of those you hope is bollocks because the alternative is people out there whose IQ is less than their shoe size.

AnonAnonmystery · 14/05/2025 23:56

She’s unfit to parent and should not be bringing any more poor kids into the world. I feel for her existing kids as her life seems chaotic and based on Sarah’s needs only.

blacksax · 14/05/2025 23:58

It's a wonder she finds the time to hold down a job.

Crushed23 · 15/05/2025 00:05

Namechanged140525 · 14/05/2025 22:11

The kids go to a British private school, the school didn't ask for their residency permit.

She also goes private for healthcare.

She ‘escaped poverty’ by leaving the UK but can afford 2x private school fees and private healthcare for 3?

In any case, she needs to return to the UK ASAP and sort the whole mess out from a country where extra marital sex / pregnancy out of wedlock / abortion is not illegal.

Crushed23 · 15/05/2025 00:10

WhichWaytoHere · 14/05/2025 23:51

The older kids are with the drug addict father?

Apparently.

notatinydancer · 15/05/2025 00:11

she sounds like an idiot.

Namechanged140525 · 15/05/2025 00:14

Crushed23 · 15/05/2025 00:05

She ‘escaped poverty’ by leaving the UK but can afford 2x private school fees and private healthcare for 3?

In any case, she needs to return to the UK ASAP and sort the whole mess out from a country where extra marital sex / pregnancy out of wedlock / abortion is not illegal.

I believe minimum wage in that country is about £250, so everything is a lot more affordable.
£12000 a year for both kids schooling is a lot, but I believe it's from the sale of her house.
From what I remember, they were homeschooled the first year, but she couldn't handle both work and schooling, and the most affordable option was that British school. Public schools are in that country's native language and they don't accept students without proof of residency. The only other option left was an American school that costs over £22 000 per child per year.

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LegallyLoopy · 15/05/2025 00:21

I don’t mean to sound harsh but I don’t think I could even remain friends with someone who put their children in this dangerous situation.

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