Labour isn't working - Thread 3

[TheNuthatch]

A thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

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@Kugelblitz maybe the Starmer thread is more your thing.

As a leftie, I care. We need a decent Tory party. Otherwise people are driven to Reform.

Thought we were free to discuss. Why don’t you ever do that ?
Tory pragmatism. Where did it go ? Regurgitating stuff out of the Sun and the Telegraph, hardly expert is it ?

@TheNuthatch As for being a nasty piece of work, I would also put Starmer in that category.

I think we should remember where Starmer came from. He was a barrister. A barrister is basically a "gun for hire".

A barrister doesn't give two flying bollocks about their client. Their job is to win the brief. They can say whatever they like to do that (within the confines of the law). They have to be able to put forward a plausible argument even if they don't agree with it.

So there are two things I can't stand about Starmer, and that's his face.

We don’t really attack posters on this thread. That’s not what it’s for.

If the posts here prompt anyone to do the usual, the Starmer thread is probably a better bet.

I'm afraid that ship's sailed 🙄

Most of the informed press seems to think the trade agreements signed are on the whole positive. Why don’t certain posters on here ?
Almost Tory party policy, weird that.

@Kugelblitz so what do you count as the "informed press" ?

Again @EasternStandard you’re into facts and figures, you agree that generally the informed opinion about the trade deals is positive, right ? You’ll accept that ?

FT, Economist ?

I don't know.
You tell me?

The FT are eu leaning, and then some. They still haven't got over the great unwashed voting to leave.

I think you need to back up a bit. You’ve come out swinging on this thread, have you posted much before

You can ask what I think of the EU thing not imply an answer in the question already.

'So there are two things I can't stand about Starmer, and that's his face'.

Spot on.

@TheNuthatch Ah ok. So you can’t believe experts. Fair enough. Back to X and Facebook, Telegraph, Mail and the Sun. Love to know who said the FT was EU biased. Probs the same single economist who said Brexit would be a runaway success.
@Mypinkchequebookholder why do I need to tell you. They’re a damn sight more neutral than the above.

Lmao there is no neutrality in the press. It is all biased, as are all humans. You are based, I'm biased. So get off your intellectual high horse

@Kugelblitz can you name a single part of this 'deal' that would encourage people to vote for Labour, rather than Reform?

Crikey. Personal attacks on appearance. That’s how low you’ve got. Tory party of old would be turning in its grave at the poor quality of political discourse. Maybe you need to stick with Reform.

I posted one earlier. Small business owners who’s profits have been decimated by Brexit. No red tape anymore.
But here you are
Farming exports
In return for extending current fishing rules, the UK has secured a deal to reduce checks on food exports to the EU
The vast majority of routine border checks on animal and plant shipments to and from the EU will be dropped
The new sanitary and phytosanitary (SPS) agreement means the UK can sell raw burgers and sausages back into the EU for the first time since Brexit
Under the deal the UK will be expected to follow EU rules it does not write – overseen by the European Court of Justice. But it can break away if it keeps similar standards and avoids harming EU trade
Defence and security
A formal UK-EU defence and security pact has been established
UK and EU officials will meet every six months to talk about defence and foreign policy
Both sides will coordinate on sanctions, share more information and develop a space-related security policy
The UK will join the EU's PESCO project on military mobility, aimed at speeding troop and equipment movement inside and outside the bloc
The government says the agreement "paves the way" for UK-based arms firms to access the Security Action for Europe (Safe) - a £150bn EU fund providing loans for defence projects
Youth experience scheme
The UK and the EU have agreed to co-operate further on a "youth experience scheme" - but this will be subject to further negotiations
The government says such a scheme "could see young people able to work and travel freely in Europe again" but would be "capped and time-limited"
It says the idea would mirror existing schemes the UK has with countries like Australia and New Zealand, where there is an annual quota of visas allowing people between the ages of 18 and 35 to work in each other's countries for up to three years
The UK is also negotiating to rejoin the Erasmus+ programme, which allows students to study or do an internship abroad
Passport e-gates
British holidaymakers will be able to use e-gates at more European airports
When Brexit ended free movement, UK travellers were shut out from using EU e-gates. Now the EU Commission says the there is no legal barrier to stopping UK citizens using them after the roll-out of its long-awaited digital border checks system, which is due to come into effect in October
Each EU country still decides if UK citizens can use e-gates at its ports but the government has promised to work to expand access "as soon as possible"
A new passport system will make it easier for UK pets to travel, ending the need for repeat vet certificates
Carbon and energy
The UK and EU will link their carbon markets to avoid taxes on carbon-intensive goods like steel and cement travelling between the UK and EU
The government says it will save £800m in taxes and shield British steel from EU tariffs, thanks to a UK-only deal worth £25m a year
The UK will begin discussions on buying and selling directly into the EU's shared electricity market but the UK would have to follow EU rules to seal a deal

I don't think you understood the question. What in this deal would make a Reform voters switch to Labour?

So why are your facts more worthy than mine ? Whose facts does a government go off to govern ?

Do you understand what two faced means? It isn't about physical appearance.

Stop trying to throw people off threads....again.

Not got a clue. Who knows how they process facts. I guess zilch about immigration or trans people so that’s it.

We're stating our opinion. Why is your opinion worth more than mine? Because you're on the left?