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PluckyCheeks · 07/05/2025 09:40

Sroia · 07/05/2025 03:13

And which country divided up India and Pakistan in such a fucked up manner?

Heard of Partition? Millions died.

Partition was supposed to be a gradual process over years but it ended up being rushed and executed in just a few weeks, leading to catastrophic consequences. The current escalation over Kashmir is a arguably a direct consequence

One country is attempting to lift it’s citizens out of poverty via economic development and the other country’s entire foreign policy centres on destabilising its neighbour.

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They’ve had 78 years to sort themselves out. Time to stop griping.

Sroia · 07/05/2025 09:42

RadFs · 07/05/2025 09:30

India attacked civilians in the middle of the night killing children. It wasn’t even proved if Pakistan had anything to do with the recent attack in Kashmir. Word has been around that India were behind the Kashmir attacks to start war on Pakistan. World be warned of the Hindutva group causing carnage but not many are speaking about it. In England they’ve been causing tensions between communities that have lived peacefully.

“Word has been around that India were behind the Kashmir attacks to start war on Pakistan”

What utter nonsense.

The Resistance Front (TRF) an offshoot of Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) a Pakistan-based terrorist group claimed responsibility for the attack. This group is often fed intelligence by the Pakistani govt.

The terrorists forced male victims to recite Islamic prayers and expose their genitals to check for circumcision.

Pakistan then acts shocked when India targets terrorist bases.

JaneFondue · 07/05/2025 09:45

I love how even when the LET claims responsibility, some are keen to blame Hindu nationalists. What does the LET have to do to get noticed? Even the Taliban condemned the attack!

That said, I wish Manmohan Singh was still in office.

EasternStandard · 07/05/2025 09:49

Sroia · 07/05/2025 09:42

“Word has been around that India were behind the Kashmir attacks to start war on Pakistan”

What utter nonsense.

The Resistance Front (TRF) an offshoot of Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) a Pakistan-based terrorist group claimed responsibility for the attack. This group is often fed intelligence by the Pakistani govt.

The terrorists forced male victims to recite Islamic prayers and expose their genitals to check for circumcision.

Pakistan then acts shocked when India targets terrorist bases.

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What madness and terror. It’s just so bad. This religious terrorism.

LookingForRecommendation · 07/05/2025 09:49

1dayatatime · 07/05/2025 09:39

@TheWisePlumDuck

"Where is this bizarre behaviour around recent conflicts coming from? It's almost like some white people have a checklist in order to determine who is the biggest 'victim' in often centuries old complicated feuds. Bonus points for being brown, Muslim and fond of terrorism it seems.

Then they immediately jump in with both feet to uncritically support one side, and scream 'racist' and 'bigot' at any sane person who hasn't done the same. Often being as ignorant of history as those they accuse of the same, and unable to believe any bad or ill of their 'side'.

Has this always been the case or am I only noticing it now?"

So you need to start with the key differences in how the liberal left and the conservative right view conflicts

From the liberal left viewpoint there is always a weaker victim and a stronger oppressor. It started with Marx and the proletariat workers being exploited by their bourgeois factory owners or farm workers being exploited by the land owners.

So in any conflict the stronger or winning side is always the oppressor (and therefore in the wrong) and the weaker side will be the victim (and therefore in the right) regardless of how the conflict started.

Whereas the conservative right has a simpler view on who started the conflict with the "blame" going to whoever started the conflict and if "whoever started it " ends up being beaten by the stronger side then they only have themselves to blame for "starting" the conflict.

The liberal left see "who started the fight " as more complex looking at years of grievances rather than simply who fired the first shot or threw the first punch.

Secondly there is a high level of self hate for the West, its values and its history by the liberal left.

This started in the 1960s with students who felt that they were critical thinkers (or "edgy ") by not simply accepting the patriotic narrative or pride in their country, its actions and its history but instead criticising it.

This attitude has now become prevalent especially amongst the university educated left leaning middle class but not amongst the non university educated working classes. So that in every conflict involving the West, then the West is in the wrong or in any conflict not directly involving the West then for historical reasons the West is still to blame.

Ironically by hating Western values the liberal left is undermining the very same Western values of freedom of speech, democracy etc etc that allow them in the first place to criticise western values and therefore sowing the seeds of its own destruction.

Wins post of the year. Concise, accurate, thorough.

Final sentence particularly poignant.

These people would never actually wish to be in the company of the people they ‘support’, ironically they would usually be far safer with who they see as the ‘aggressor’. Why?

Sroia · 07/05/2025 09:49

PluckyCheeks · 07/05/2025 09:40

They’ve had 78 years to sort themselves out. Time to stop griping.

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And how does India manage that with a neighbour like Pakistan. No one can dispute that recently India had largely adopted a policy of strategic restraint in response to Pakistan’s provocations, especially regarding cross-border terrorism and ceasefire violations. Pakistan’s only foreign policy is to destabilise India. How does one go about improving diplomacy and negotiating with a terrorist state?

CleaningSilverCandlesticks · 07/05/2025 09:50

giddyauntie123 · 07/05/2025 09:20

@CleaningSilverCandlesticks You can't use gender equality to weaponise your argument here

Why should we support countries that support an ideology that causes so much harm to over half the population and who wish to impose that harm on our population too? And let us not forget Pakistans treatment of Christians, and India’s too.

frozendaisy · 07/05/2025 09:50

India/Kashmir/Pakistan/China

This is where WW3 will start.

TheWombatleague · 07/05/2025 09:50

LookingForRecommendation · 07/05/2025 09:49

Wins post of the year. Concise, accurate, thorough.

Final sentence particularly poignant.

These people would never actually wish to be in the company of the people they ‘support’, ironically they would usually be far safer with who they see as the ‘aggressor’. Why?

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Absolute bollocks.

miraxxx · 07/05/2025 09:51

Re "demonisation of Pakistan" :

2001 Parliament Attack (14 dead) - Imagine your parliament being attacked by a bunch of gunmen and you will understand India's restraint.

2005 Delhi Bombings (62 dead)- A crowded market and buses

2008 Mumbai Attacks (175 dead) - Taj Hotel, Chabad house (yeah those evil joos who always deserve murdering), for me this is personal as a newly married Singaporean young woman was killed

2016 Pathankot Air Base Attack (7 dead)

2016 Uri Attack (19 dead)

2019 Pulwama Attack (40 dead)

2025 Pahalgam Tourist Attack (26 dead) - Includes one Nepali and One kashmiri muslim man who was a tourist worker

The UK may be sanguine about terror attacks on its teenage girls at rock concerts and buses and tube but it willingly imported its terrorists and does not share a direct border with a terrorist nation. In fact te UK is now exporting its terrorists to other parts of the world, Omar Saeed (middleclass, LSE educated) was just the forerunner.

Re "demonisation" of Islam : Compare airport security before and after 9/11, remember the UK shoebomber (responsible for the liquids rule), security at concerts and museums and realise that all of our lives are directly affected by the jihad of one religion. There are many other issues but people know at a visceral level where the danger lies. Middleclass progressive England shares the attitude of Lucy Powell - to notice the danger/threat is bigotry and racist dogwhistle of course. Not to mention demonisation.

JaneFondue · 07/05/2025 09:53

Sroia · 07/05/2025 09:49

And how does India manage that with a neighbour like Pakistan. No one can dispute that recently India had largely adopted a policy of strategic restraint in response to Pakistan’s provocations, especially regarding cross-border terrorism and ceasefire violations. Pakistan’s only foreign policy is to destabilise India. How does one go about improving diplomacy and negotiating with a terrorist state?

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India can't. It's not Israel.
What I think will happen is that India will retaliate with targeted strikes. Pakistan will send more terrorists across the border, probably a big target in New Delhi.

Kashmir will remain disputed because if India gives it up, it will have to give other regions autonomy too.

LookingForRecommendation · 07/05/2025 09:55

TheWombatleague · 07/05/2025 09:50

Absolute bollocks.

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Prove me wrong.

LookingForRecommendation · 07/05/2025 09:56

CleaningSilverCandlesticks · 07/05/2025 09:50

Why should we support countries that support an ideology that causes so much harm to over half the population and who wish to impose that harm on our population too? And let us not forget Pakistans treatment of Christians, and India’s too.

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Because they’re Islamic, and the left have a completely self defeating blind devotion to whatever the Islamic cause is.

1dayatatime · 07/05/2025 09:57

@RadFs

"Word has been around that India were behind the Kashmir attacks to start war on Pakistan. World be warned of the Hindutva group causing carnage but not many are speaking about it. In England they’ve been causing tensions between communities that have lived peacefully."

So this is a really good example of getting out early with bollocks conspiracy theories to plant doubt with people on the events and who to sympathise with.

Just like the conspiracy theory that the Israeli Government was somehow behind or involved or deliberately ignored warnings about the October 7th terrorist attack, the suggestion that India or Indian groups deliberately attacked their own citizens is clearly a false conspiracy theory designed to throw doubt on what actually happened.

Lastly a few top tips on coming up with conspiracy theories :
It always helps to name some specific group or piece of information that no one has heard of in order to add a veneer of "insight" or "credibility".
Anyone who accepts the mainstream version of events is clearly a "sheep " or gullible or naive that doesn't possess the "greater intellectual insights" that you as the conspiracy theorist does.

Sdcgfgs · 07/05/2025 09:57

Will there be an all out war?

JaneFondue · 07/05/2025 09:59

@miraxx that's a good summary but of course casual observers will blame Modi for attacks that took place 23 years ago.

EasternStandard · 07/05/2025 10:01

CleaningSilverCandlesticks · 07/05/2025 09:50

Why should we support countries that support an ideology that causes so much harm to over half the population and who wish to impose that harm on our population too? And let us not forget Pakistans treatment of Christians, and India’s too.

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Why should we exactly. And do people think that preference would be returned?

User37482 · 07/05/2025 10:02

Sdcgfgs · 07/05/2025 09:57

Will there be an all out war?

Doubt it, if India had wanted a war they would have attacked military targets. Most likely some skirmishes.

Plus Pakistan just did an Iran and said it would get back at India at a time and place of it’s choosing so assume it will be another terrorist attack at some poing given it’s their favourite thing to do.

LookingForRecommendation · 07/05/2025 10:07

Just waiting for Corbyn to pipe up about how Pakistan is being oppressed and how if our government doesn’t pull the trade deal he will lie down in the road etc

PluckyCheeks · 07/05/2025 10:09

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1dayatatime · 07/05/2025 10:16

@LookingForRecommendation

"Wins post of the year. Concise, accurate, thorough.

Final sentence particularly poignant.

These people would never actually wish to be in the company of the people they ‘support’, ironically they would usually be far safer with who they see as the ‘aggressor’. Why?"

Firstly thank you for your incredibly kind words. I'm normally used to being accused of a troll or stooge for this cause or the other for shredding blatantly false conspiracy theories etc. So I am genuinely grateful and very appreciative for your comment.

Actually I ought to amend the words of my last paragraph to:

"Ironically by hating Western values the liberal left is undermining the very same Western values of freedom of speech, democracy etc etc that allow them in the first place to criticise western values and therefore sowing the seeds of not just its own destruction but of everyone else believing in these values as well.

JaneFondue · 07/05/2025 10:16

I have been very vocal on this thread but I dont want to see Pakistan " Palestined". No country deserves that level of suffering and starvation, where women and children suffer the most.

EasternStandard · 07/05/2025 10:18

1dayatatime · 07/05/2025 10:16

@LookingForRecommendation

"Wins post of the year. Concise, accurate, thorough.

Final sentence particularly poignant.

These people would never actually wish to be in the company of the people they ‘support’, ironically they would usually be far safer with who they see as the ‘aggressor’. Why?"

Firstly thank you for your incredibly kind words. I'm normally used to being accused of a troll or stooge for this cause or the other for shredding blatantly false conspiracy theories etc. So I am genuinely grateful and very appreciative for your comment.

Actually I ought to amend the words of my last paragraph to:

"Ironically by hating Western values the liberal left is undermining the very same Western values of freedom of speech, democracy etc etc that allow them in the first place to criticise western values and therefore sowing the seeds of not just its own destruction but of everyone else believing in these values as well.

@TheWombatleaguewhy do you post against this? Can you say why beyond bollocks etc

LookingForRecommendation · 07/05/2025 10:19

JaneFondue · 07/05/2025 10:16

I have been very vocal on this thread but I dont want to see Pakistan " Palestined". No country deserves that level of suffering and starvation, where women and children suffer the most.

I agree. I absolutely do not want to see Pakistani civilians being killed either intentionally or unintentionally. However I support India in this matter and hope they use proportionate self defence as they deem necessary.

mumof5andfat · 07/05/2025 10:25

Cheeryangel · 06/05/2025 22:06

What on earth are you on about.
This is false news , the vast majority of Kashmiris are Muslims - they rely on tourism why would they do this? Upcoming elections in India have so much to do with this- and their far right government. Pakistan couldn’t even organise a piss up in a brewery.
indian govt needs to get their own house in order - their default is to alway point the finger at Pakistan.
they need to ask how on earth this happened in one of the most militarised areas of the world.

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this is spot on. Its all just a bit of drama for Modi as its election time. Surely if it was that serious, we'd be getting our embassy staff out. The international community sees it for what it is....it will all fizzle out once the elections are done.