BREAKING NEWS- India has launched strikes on Pakistan

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More war 😪

WTF!! Both countries have nuclear weapons.
Pakistan ….vulnerable my arse!
They’ve been harbouring and exporting terrorists for years.

Oh no, this is terrible news, so many lives are going to be lost and most will be those not involved in the instigation at all. Why do we not learn from history.

When any Muslims countries are challenged about anything they all bleat about bigotry but this then becomes a bit boy who cried wolf.

On the BBC this morning: Mr Misri spoke in some detail about the "barbarity" of last month's attack in Indian-administered Kashmir which he said was carried out by "Pakistani and Pakistan-trained terrorists". He did not share any evidence of this in the briefing.

Why not share the evidence? Or do we not care about these things anymore?

1 death on either side is too many. But look at the Gaza-Israeli war. Is that what we want?

Where is this bizarre behaviour around recent conflicts coming from? It's almost like some white people have a checklist in order to determine who is the biggest 'victim' in often centuries old complicated feuds. Bonus points for being brown, Muslim and fond of terrorism it seems.

Then they immediately jump in with both feet to uncritically support one side, and scream 'racist' and 'bigot' at any sane person who hasn't done the same. Often being as ignorant of history as those they accuse of the same, and unable to believe any bad or ill of their 'side'.

Has this always been the case or am I only noticing it now?

What the same intelligence that insisted Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? How many people died in those two wars? Doesn’t it matter because it’s Muslim blood?

I would never call a nuclear power ‘completely vulnerable’. What planet are you on?

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A reminder Osama Bin Laden was living in Pakistan when he was found by American troops. American didn’t inform Pakistan in advance because they were sure he would have been warned.

I didn't mean you personally were demonising them, I mean in general it feels like there has been a strong push on Muslim = bad. I genuinely feel that across the world there is less support for any Muslim country regardless of the circumstances.

If pakistan did support the attacks then absolutely there should be consequences. But I'm fed up consequences meaning more innocent people dying. And let's face it, in most circumstances retaliation is more about the govt du jour pushing their own agendas.

What intelligence reports would you accept as valid? Not Indian, US or UK so who is credible?

I am fully with you on the Iraq war and WMDs. That war should not have happened.

But at a certain point, after some 30 years of seeing Pakistan say " Oops there are terrorists in our country but we dont know how they got here," people need to wake up.

Remind which Muslim countries grant women equal rights to men?

A military general from Pakistan is saying on the record as reported by the BBC that the Pakistani military have shot down 5 Indian war planes and a drone. No comment or confirmation yet from India.

I am hoping that this is reassuring in terms of India seeking to avoid escalation and that India are discussing how to resolve the situation without continuing to escalate their own military retaliation.

As much as any single death is too much death, India haven’t so far hit military targets of Pakistan’s. India will hopefully feel that to
make that escalation is not in anyone’s interests.

Proving my point perfectly.

@CleaningSilverCandlesticks You can't use gender equality to weaponise your argument here

India's press briefing was presented by two women generals, one a Muslim woman ( along with one man).

Fascinating messaging.

India press briefing

Personally I'm hoping it's just a bit of sabre rattling. Too many people dead already, hopefully they've both made their point.

Still shit that it has to come to this.

What terrible, terrible nonsense.

Again - posters here won’t believe you. They’ll say you’re a Reform stooge or that ‘I know a white British man like that’. They will always refuse to acknowledge the role the religion plays in this. It’s too uncomfortable for them.

My best friend is married to a ‘Muslim’ man (in that he is of Asian descent and was raised a Muslim, but is no longer a practising Muslim and feels a lot of scepticism toward everything he was taught). His family life was harrowing - his dad beating his mum, heavy religious education which he felt unable to question, hugely patriarchal views and he hated watching his mum and sister suffer. His dad passed away just before he met my friend, otherwise it’s likely his family would’ve had more issues with their marriage. Some relatives refused to attend the wedding as they didn’t see it as an authentic marriage owing to my friend being Western. It’s fair to say it’s left him with mental lifelong scars and he still battles on a daily basis with complicated feelings around abandoning his family culture etc

He’s such a lovely, intelligent, thoughtful person but I doubt he will ever free himself from it.

India attacked civilians in the middle of the night killing children. It wasn’t even proved if Pakistan had anything to do with the recent attack in Kashmir. Word has been around that India were behind the Kashmir attacks to start war on Pakistan. World be warned of the Hindutva group causing carnage but not many are speaking about it. In England they’ve been causing tensions between communities that have lived peacefully.

Hi Jeremy

Heh. India killed 25 of its own people ? Also the 175 slaughtered at the Taj in 2008, including 6 foreigners? ( This was when a leftie government under the Cambridge educated Manmohan Singh was in power). Absolutely no one believes that.

The chief of terrorist group Jaish-e-Mohammed has already said several of his own family have been killed. But they are not strictly civilians.

@giddyauntie123On this why do you say Pakistan is completely vulnerable?

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@TheWisePlumDuck

"Where is this bizarre behaviour around recent conflicts coming from? It's almost like some white people have a checklist in order to determine who is the biggest 'victim' in often centuries old complicated feuds. Bonus points for being brown, Muslim and fond of terrorism it seems.

Then they immediately jump in with both feet to uncritically support one side, and scream 'racist' and 'bigot' at any sane person who hasn't done the same. Often being as ignorant of history as those they accuse of the same, and unable to believe any bad or ill of their 'side'.

Has this always been the case or am I only noticing it now?"

So you need to start with the key differences in how the liberal left and the conservative right view conflicts

From the liberal left viewpoint there is always a weaker victim and a stronger oppressor. It started with Marx and the proletariat workers being exploited by their bourgeois factory owners or farm workers being exploited by the land owners.

So in any conflict the stronger or winning side is always the oppressor (and therefore in the wrong) and the weaker side will be the victim (and therefore in the right) regardless of how the conflict started.

Whereas the conservative right has a simpler view on who started the conflict with the "blame" going to whoever started the conflict and if "whoever started it " ends up being beaten by the stronger side then they only have themselves to blame for "starting" the conflict.

The liberal left see "who started the fight " as more complex looking at years of grievances rather than simply who fired the first shot or threw the first punch.

Secondly there is a high level of self hate for the West, its values and its history by the liberal left.

This started in the 1960s with students who felt that they were critical thinkers (or "edgy ") by not simply accepting the patriotic narrative or pride in their country, its actions and its history but instead criticising it.

This attitude has now become prevalent especially amongst the university educated left leaning middle class but not amongst the non university educated working classes. So that in every conflict involving the West, then the West is in the wrong or in any conflict not directly involving the West then for historical reasons the West is still to blame.

Ironically by hating Western values the liberal left is undermining the very same Western values of freedom of speech, democracy etc etc that allow them in the first place to criticise western values and therefore sowing the seeds of its own destruction.