Thread 23 Starmer - Reflux Remedy

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Maybe you are right. But on the other hand, Labour needs to think about how the right wing media and Reflux will spin every single announcement and the lines of attack and try to counteract them.

It shouldn't be that way, but it is.

I’m surprised the Lib Dem’s haven’t been more supportive today!
The deal really is good news for growth & the Economy at a time we really need it.

This one was suspended before the vote even happened 🤢
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0y0ny527wo

Agree.

I think the media are being extremely persuasive in the negative to everything currently and their comms needs to be better than what is normally acceptable.

Unfortunately they are poor before they even start to counteract them.

https://bsky.app/profile/explaintrade.com/post/3londwbnvxc2d

1/ UK-US Trade Deal: Pre-Thoughts

a) I beg you to wait for the text before speculating wildly.

b) While the 10% US tariff on everything from everywhere is annoying for the UK, the much higher tariffs on cars and steel is prohibitive.

Well he's right but what are the chances of media/people waiting to see the detail?
It will be interesting to see what Grozoubinski and David Henig make of it. It doesnt sound like a deal as much as a Heads of Terms which will need further work.

But I'm sure The Mail/the Telegraph/the Times will have already written pieces in condemnation of whatever it is.

Catching up on new the new thread. My tax is a picture of my fern coming to life, hopefully representing new shoots of economic recovery.

It is kind of funny to see Trump making a big deal out of it to silence from the UK, he must be desperate.

80 years since VE Day

https://bsky.app/profile/ledbydonkeys.org/post/3loltwljm2k2t

TANK vs TESLA

"We've crushed fascism before and we'll crush it again"

• WW2 veteran Ken, 98, in the tank

Lots of sour grapes from the Tories on India FTA but honestly it’s going to be excellent for the UK. It’s a deal that will make MONEY for us. Given the right’s totally hopeless background on immigration and exploitation then it’s all chaff. Badenoch absolutely full of it.

Likewise US deal. Good for us. Actual money, which we need in the UK.

As usual the EU drags its feet. They’ve just lost a case with us about fish on our current deal with them. Of course, now fish is the key concern for renegotiation rather than say a security pact or migration. Ridiculous.

I hope Starmer can keep this productive international agenda up.

The usual suspects would rubbish anything a Labour government achieved. It could produce a booming economy, a Rolls Royce health service, universal Eton standard education and deliver a gold ingot to every doorstep and they’d still be carping about “Lefties”.

It’s a historic deal. The most generous ever done by India. Given how unbelievably difficult they are as negotiators then it’s a real achievement.

The only bit that is credible by Badenoch is saying she was offered something similar. If she said NO, then seriously it reflects on her and her ability to actually conclude matters. Politics is actually about delivery not endless discussion. She’d be better off in charge of a think tank. Deals have to finish.

Yes. The spite is palpable. Anyone not running around screaming "betrayal of British workers" is insulted. It is getting very tedious.

This is all good for the UK! The timing is great. We have a summit with the EU on 19th May and can get on a negotiate the SPS agreement/food standards agreement we need. The US must have given up on its hormone beef and chlorinated chicken asks I should think.

Now can someone wheel the Chancellor into an upright position and ask her what she will do given her budget gamble has clearly not paid off?

I am going to be really controversial here. I'd like Reeves to resign.😬

I agree with you. She’s becoming a distraction.

Sadly I think she is getting in her own way now. I actually think she’s capable and shouldn’t have to step down, but politics is about optics too and hers have become toxic. It would also allow for changes to her red lines without it being a climbdown (I’d actually prefer a climb down - I like politicians to accept when the6 are wrong or when situations change, but that’s not where we are…)

Reeves does not have any political nous and it shows. It is all very well re fiscal discipline etc but there is a very good reason why Chancellors are encouraged in budgets to produce a “rabbit out of the hat”.

The woman looks like all stick and no carrots.

The woman looks like all stick and no carrots

I agree and think that could be applied more widely. Labour has inherited an absolute shit show. But where is the hope, the positivity? Maybe again it is the media focusing on doom and gloom and the messages not getting through.

This issue about Labour having no overarching popular narrative is not new. Andrew Marr made the same point about hope as you do @PandoraSocks prior to the election. Where is that hopeful narrative?

Labour are painting themselves as being some sort of academic North London fiscal responsibility collective. All very milk monitor. It’s good for us. Yea okay but it’s like being treated for nits. Necessary but unpleasant.

Give Reform their due (or Johnson). They easily use language to emote and get engagement. And they will carry on like this.

Alistair Campbell was saying (on Rest Is Politics) that he thinks Labour need a national story - so exactly the kind of overarching narrative you are talking about - as an eg he said don't talk about breakfast clubs, talk about eradicating child poverty. Comms is always going to be difficult with a negative media but some sort of story might help it hang together a bit.

Which potential coalitions have the most support from Britons?

Lab-LD: 38% support
Lab-LD-Grn: 38%
Lab-Grn: 37%
Con-Ref: 27%
Con-LD: 23%
Con-Grn: 20%
Lab-SNP: 20%
Con-Lab: 15%
LD-Ref: 15%
Lab-Ref: 10%

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/52134-where-do-britons-stand-on-possible-coalitions

The Bank of England has cut interest rates to 4.25%

Badenoch was foolish to make the tweet re the trade agreement. Reeves may well outlast her.

Labour has frozen the price of prescriptions. It's a way of helping with the cost of living crisis according to my MP in her weekly round up. Still avoiding the benefits cuts that will seriously harm hundreds of thousands.

Personally pretty glad on the US. It shows Farage for the grifter he is. Zero influence.