Thread 23 Starmer - Reflux Remedy

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One thing Labour could be doing (and if someone as stupid as me can see it, you have to wonder what the fuck their press people are doing for their salaries) is to paint the ongoing UK-EU talks as fixing the clusterfuck Boris and the Boys left behind. Because that would force the Tories into defending at, and thus opening up their other flank to Reform calling them useless as well.

That is great news!

At last something to be encouraged by! I do hope the young adults who are eligible grab it with both hands.

Goodness, the fury amongst the Reformites is something to behold.

Farage should be worried, half of his electorate are in danger of expiring from self-inflicted heart attacks.

We don't want kids to have opportunities

Don’t want deals with India, don’t want them with the EU - don’t like the economy as it is, but don’t like ways to boost it.
Trouble is Brexit is just some imaginary Utopia that’s different for every person, and rewritten by Reform each and every day - I recall Farage discussing a ‘Norway’ deal back before the Referendum. Be good if we had ever had a fixed picture of what Brexit was supposed to look like but all we hear is what it shouldn’t look like. I did hear a bit of Tice on R4 - he likes Dubai way of handling things (immigration/crime) so that’s a nice image hmm but didn’t hear him on economy/EU.

I’m not really sure why we hate the EU or why to the point of taking kids’ opportunities away - that has to be a serious level of hatred and I’m honestly not getting why.

There is some serious patronising going on about working class kids. Some working class kids won't have passports but plenty will. Do they think working class families never have holidays outside the UK? Do they think working class kids don't have aspirations?

Quite a few of my DH's friends, and DH himself, lived and worked abroad for a while, some permanently. All children of miners.

Anyone remember Auf Wiedersehen Pet. Plenty of temporary job opportunities abroad for young people wanting to do a whole range of work in Europe - just as British backpackers do in Australia, New Zealand etc

Brexit has not and cannot succeed
It doesn't really exist
Even those who espouse it so vehemently have no idea what it actually means
Those who spearheaded it have changed their minds multiple times on what it should be
It's insane, really

DP has a very wealthy elderly client who was a life long Tory voter and now loves Nige Farage. DP was also a Brexit voter but has seen the light and has really interesting conversations with him. He couldn’t list any Brexit benefits because they hadn’t happened yet and he’s desperate for us to leave the ECHR. For an intelligent man whose daughter in law is Spanish it’s mind boggling.

Any opinions on the deal from the other ‘long standing but much more scarcely populated’
other thread ? 😬

The Brexit Arms? Is that still limping on?

The brexit thread?

One very very sad poster, the other one hasn't commented yet.

More the ‘we hate Labour’ one. Usual suspects moaning on about how out of touch the government is. Apparently folk are incandescent. Maybe in her part of the Home Counties.

Ah, it was the longstanding part that confused me

I am encountering them on another thread.

Energy UK has welcomed the deal. Chief executive, Dhara Vyas, said "This agreement will remove barriers to growth, lowering energy prices, and clearing the way for a shared future powered by clean energy."

Kemi Badenoch is holding a press conference at 3.15pm.

British Meat Processors Association* *has welcomed the deal as well

£370m a year savings re energy in the near-term, which are set to double. That's a huge saving and difference.

Which should be to rebut the Governments messaging that after 5 long years, the worst deal in international history is finally beginning the long long journey of correction.

However I haven't yet seen that message.

"But me no buts" and all that.

Yes, for my sins, I'm on another thread arguing with those rattled by Erasmus. I mean, I seriously cannot comprehend the determination to be so hostile to potential opportunities for young people.

Suella Braverman was an Erasmus Programme student.

https://www.energy-uk.org.uk/news/energy-uk-responds-to-a-new-uk-eu-agreement/

Link here re Energy UK.

Badenoch is ridiculous. Whatever age comes up with, Farage will out do her.

I am in Europe and everyone has been charming…

I can't get my head around it. The people who are complaining about having to pay VAT on their children's school fees are suddenly outraged about what they say is the lack of Erasmus opportunity for working class kids.

Yeah, right.

Starmer has actually negotiated something good, but they can't bear to acknowledge it.