Thread 23 Starmer - Reflux Remedy

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Literally came through a European airport this evening and the non-EU queue was enormous. Lots of snaking barriers. Took us about 45 minutes to get through. The EU queue was long too but much quicker moving with the e-gates.

Romania's voters said no to the far right pro Trump candidate today👏

Brexit betrayal.........

That’s a pain. Sorry your experience wasn’t like mine. Pisa is a very small airport which could be why our queues were so short.

I hope for good things at the summit today. Let us be positive!

Farage is the pits, but we do need some of what is on offer to grow our economy and we need to consider our security in an era where there is no longer a US guarantee,

I hope this summit puts Brexit to bed for the UK and the EU. People who want to re litigate it are just doing it for their own purposes. We have had a long time to understand what the supposed benefits are. They are still unclear. Let’s hope we can fix some of the problems together.

My hope is that any EU deal does bring growth to the UK - and that growth can be in areas of the UK that feel left behind - so if Reform say they will take us out of any deal, then that is a useful weapon to use against them - look at the growth we've had and the dividends from that growth,

And that Reform would be challenged on their plans.

I think it should enable us to do more on agrifoods, movement and defence. The issue about deprivation in certain areas won’t change until we deal with it domestically. I think what Starmer does internationally is great… but domestically Labour have a long way to go. It’s a far more complex challenge which has been dodged by successive governments which is the reason for Brexit in part and Reform.

I am expecting small but positive steps

Alignment on food safety and animal welfare in exchange for easing checks will be a positive move and one that should have been tackled at the beginning of the process rather than now.

The same old commentators will continue to bitch and moan regardless of what is achieved. They enjoy being perenial victims of the big, bad EU, a lot of them have based a whole career on it.

And personally I think if you voted to knock 4-6% off GDP, you dont get to give out trade advice now.

They certainly will. The Telegraph will be even more unreadable for the next few weeks with Hannan and Frost harrumphing away. Farage might just combust.

What will be agreed at today's EU-UK summit

• security and defence partnership, unlocking defence contracts for British arms firms;
• reciprocal access on fishing rights until 30 June 2038;

• SPS deal (don't know yet if this is the final deal);

* youth mobility scheme - details still to be finalised.

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@Blossomtoes it was Schiphol so a big place but we came through this time last year with no problems.

There was no reason for us not to have parity (or higher) on food and animal welfare standards, other than greed. Profit first from the tories. We need Labour to put the people first, and higher food standards for us should be shouted from the rooftops.

I’m not sure it was about profit so much as the opportunity to wang on about being rule takers. The pretence was that we would be able to dictate EU regulations to them (I can have my cake and eat it too).

So much of Brexit is about the kind of speeches that might be made (or Op Ed’s written/tweets posted) rather than acknowledging the trade offs inherent in being outside the trading bloc and still needing to trade with them.

Confirmed: EU-reset deal now done. Key block was fishing rights. They’ve agreed:

🐟EU access to UK fishing grounds extended until 2038 w/ UK arguing annual renegotiations didn’t suit anybody

🐟 no link between fishing & SPS meaning no time limit on duration of checks on food, animal & agric products

Badenoch is already combusting or carp-ing from the sidelines

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Never happier than when they can claim Brexit betrayal!

Lots of the “betrayal” cries today won’t take into account that nothing is actually changing for fishers - it’s just extension of the original (bad) deal they got under Johnson which ran until 2026.

They can foxtrot Oscar. Stuart Rose who is actually in business has just said how disappointed he is in the modern Conservative Party and their narrative.

I have spent the weekend in the company of some City friends - all very high earners and not one of them votes Conservative. Ten years ago they did. It is because of rubbish like this that they’ve stopped.

Just for those who say it is not Farage's brexit

Farage cries betrayal over access to fish stocks. But NEVER FORGET he stood down hundreds of Brexit Party PPCs to help Johnson win big in 2019 and it was Johnson who negotiated the access. There's no change to access, just an extension on existing deal for 12 years. If it's on anyone, it's Farage

I think we should just start challenging this BS at every opportunity. These people are piss takers. They talk, but they don’t have policies, they react, they scream, they pout. Enough.

I am pleased. UK will make money from the deal. Good. We need it

The Reform angle will be that Starmer was in no way tough enough, and they would have got more. Remember they know they only have to appeal to people who struggle with wool.

Massively bored by the Nigel the Boogeyman narrative going on. Are we really going to cringe about him for the next four years? It’s a massive Tory anxiety going on.

The published deal

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-secures-new-agreement-with-eu-to-benefit-british-people

Promises to implement a new youth mobility scheme and resurrect the UK's membership of the Erasmus scheme 👏