Thread 23 Starmer - Reflux Remedy

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Please do! We need good Comms and if you and they are it, then <bat signal>

Please do. We really need good comms in government right now.

Even though I don’t agree with everything they are doing even the good stuff gets buried under the negative spin.

I think even if Labour gave us all £500 each and cut taxes it would end up as a negative story!!!

The EU summit will prove tricky for the Govt but everything is now being spun against the Govt, latest is Defence Review = a home guard!!

So why have these things even mentioned? the review suggests increasing the size of the Army... but that wont be the story... it'll be Dads Army :(

Gosh - there's a Green party spokesperson on the BBC. What's going on!! Were Reform unavailable?

Tory rumbling about the EU summit. It sounds like Starmer is after the European Defence Fund and better business links - in fact, a lot of the stuff the Tory's (and Farage) were wittering about Pre-Brexit when they said they were not going to pull out of the common market.

Labour need to be on their comms A-game for this one. I'm broadly in favour of it (let's stop that unnecessary 4% annual drag on growth), but I'm not the one they need to convince.

news.sky.com/story/keir-starmer-says-closer-eu-ties-will-be-good-for-uk-jobs-bills-and-borders-ahead-of-key-talks-13370004

There are only so many hours in a day.
Labour will never get a good press until media ownership changes in this country.
Is their time not better spent actually working on their plans rather than sending ministers out there every single day to try and refute false claims and taking words out of context?

In my opinion.

When you got the press screaming Brexit betrayal, there is not really much you can do

EU relations minister Nick Thomas Symonds indicates Brits will be able to use e-passport gates to speed up travelling to EU - saying "we would all agree" on benefit.

Except for those who want to close the borders, nobody leave

On the subject of Brexit betrayal…

British holidaymakers could face shorter airport queues this summer with negotiators on the verge of striking an agreement for UK passport holders to use e-gates across Europe.
Downing Street said on Saturday that it was poised to strike a deal with the EU that would improve things for British families facing “queues on holiday”.

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Labour will never get a good press until media ownership changes in this country.

@karistyleaftea How do you think this could be made to happen?

There is a certain element of trying to refuse to play "the game".

The only real strategy is to explain the game. However, long centuries stand as testament as to how stubborn the populus are when it comes to engaging with the world. And that strategy has been neutered by the players pointing at non-players in the press ..

Ultimately even results and actions can't do it. The US was doing pretty good on November 4th 2024. But that was spun as in spite of Biden, not because of. And then you had the great Trump narrative of "well of course things are doing well. Everybody knows I'm gonna win".

Which suggests that Farage is trying to create a "heads I win/tails you lose" momentum. If things are shit in 2029, he's alright. But if they are booming, he'll just say "well that's because everyone knows I'm going to win." Having been indoctrinated to the idea over the previous four years.

Now a smart operator* would have engineered Stephen Yaxley Lennons release, shoveled a few million his way and said "you know what, really you should be the guy to lead Reform". Damn sight cheaper than the cost of cleaning up after a Farage premiership.

*ChatGPT when fed with another AI generated prompt.

The irony is, as I discovered in March, that there are considerably fewer non EU passengers passing through EU airports and the queues for us at passport control are much shorter. Everyone in the very short queue was joking about finally discovering an up side to Brexit.

As a start, how about about banning foreign ownership and any media/company owner to be UK citizen, living & paying tax here?

Same with party funding too.

Labour are going down this route with a 15% limit on foreign ownership.

Its not about left vs right, its about who controls the UKs media and like Utilities, this shouldn't be done by overseas companies, who may not always have our best interests at heart.

As a start, how about about banning foreign ownership and any media/company owner to be UK citizen, living & paying tax here.

I agree, that sounds a good plan.

I could be wrong, but I thought karistaleaftea was objecting to the number of newspapers showing a right wing bias and I don’t see how that could be stopped other than by government controlling the press.

Absolutely, we cannot control the media in this way, totally wrong.

Each party needs to win the argument with the voters, atm the 'left isn't and so we see more extreme right wing views the 'press.

When you can't change something, then you need to work around it.

Whilst all the criticisms of the media are generally correct, I can't help but feel they get used as too convenient an excuse for inaction, rather than as a springboard for alternative action. And it's long been a rather peculiar nature of the more socialist side of the scale to sit around whining and blaming each other than just accepting the world we live in and devising alternative strategies.

That isn't a euphemism for "if you can't beat them join them" by the way. Almost the opposite.

One of the reasons we seem to have an inbuilt tory-style majority in society is that the lefts tactic of waiting for the inevitable collapse into chaos of the right often coincides with one of their regular circular firing squads. 1987 and 2019 being paradigms.

Its very difficult when a govt does the right thing and seeks a better trade deal and boost opportunities for our young, ts then portrayed as as a treacherous betrayal.

What sort of screwed up logic is that? but here will be a large section of the public that will see as just that and more scorn heaped on Labour

Already the Tories are asking "will it make the UK a rule taker".

You know what. I am sick and tired of taking other peoples rules, I said, as I punched a Tory MP in the bracket.

Maybe, just maybe, we should look at the rules not the rulers ? A bad law is a bad law whether it's Tory, Labour, or Count Binface.

Farage working it as much as possible, french fishing our waters, uk troops under an EU flag... mass migration... he really is a xxxx

Catching up with you all. Feeling slightly more wobbly ( I was already wobbly) with Starmer but the alternatives of Reform/ reform Con worry me more.
Pleeeease can they get better comms?!
@DuncinToffee how was today? Tears and memories in our house. My OH dad saw Dixie Dean do the 60 goals in 1928 when he was 14 ( born in 1914) my OH is the baby of a very big family.

We are already following EU regulations in order to sell in to our most important market.

The idea that outside of a trading bloc we can dictate their rules is mind numbingly ridiculous.

Of course we might have had a better opportunity to change regulations from within it.

The fantasy Brexit unicorns ride again.

Just back from hols, so catching up.

Re positive PR from Labour, there was a good Instagram post today (I think):

https://www.instagram.com/p/DJy9KVmowd0/?imgindex=1

(Hopefully that link will work)

It was a lovely goodbye @ThatbloodyRoblox Teared up when Seamus led out the team and again when Zcars was played by violin and trumpet.

DH's dad was the big fan who went to GP regularly but he died a long time ago, DH never had a season ticket and then moved away so we only visit a few times a year.

do we want growth?

"New modelling by Aston University in Birmingham estimated that a conformity assessment deal could deliver an average boost of 9.8 per cent to UK exports, with sectors such as industrial machinery and electronics seeing increases of up to 27.9 per cent."

www.ft.com/content/ff1c...