Thread 23 Starmer - Reflux Remedy

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Conservative members that I know well enough to talk to about politics and who have remained consistently centre-right (rather than shift with Braverman and Jenrick) seem quite phlegmatic about the election tbh.

But then I look at some posters MN records with a certain amount of suspicion.

Name changing seems like a very useful tool. As is plop and go.

The aim is to throw enough poo and some of it will stick.

Trump used this method against Biden.

Labour deliberately down played expectation, this was then used to blame Labour for wrecking growth, despite growth increasing!

What i find "funny" is no one is supposed to mention the last 14 years but all ok to talk about the Blair Brown years....

But what the Tory party & its supporters need to realise is that the enemy isn't Labour, its Reform, Labour will survive the 2029 GE but the Tory party wont.

There is some definite oddness in it in MN. I do not meet Conservatives like this in real life, most of whom frankly have comfortable existences. They are not engaged in purient stuff like homosexual affairs, secret Islamist motives etc. This is the stuff of loopy people.

the enemy isn't Labour, its Reform, Labour will survive the 2029 GE but the Tory party wont.

Maybe that explains it. The Tory I live with is really worried about where to place his vote if the party doesn’t survive - and he acknowledges that to be a real possibility. He’s too sane for Reform, too right wing for the LibDems, Labour or Greens. I feel quite sorry for him.

Actually the poo thing does make a bit of sense. I mean I don’t know how effective that is because if the PM is a secretive homosexual Islamicist then really, his cover is amazing and I find it funny. I mean I would not take it very seriously.

I mean the UK may have had a PM who placed his penis into a pigs head and that was mainstream publishing. And another had to fend off another colleague at the roadside when allegedly having a roadside pee.

Yes, I agree.

I did see the comment on MN yesterday and I found it very disturbing. There is certainly a feverish outrage that IMO is the manifestation of a kind of cultural neuroses, it's more prevalent than arguments over policy or public administration presumably because that is boring! As a society we are addicted to the instant thrill and politics has not escaped this, I don't know how you fix that though.

Most of the old Conservative voters that I know have moved to Lib Dem but not appreciative of the "silly" media grabbing Davies has to do to get as much air time as Reform. I think there is a systemic AI issue with clickbait headlines that has fed UKIP/Reform since Brexit and we need to be aware of who owns papers/is financing news websites and why it is in their interests to push us to hate a strong EU. I really feel the lack of controls on the media and internet in particular needs to be addressed to enable proper debate in politics in this decade.

However I forsee we will have at least another 10 years of NHS being ground to dust now the social care sector is all but being abolished, so I suspect we won't have any money to do much else.

That comment was a different order. There have always been such people. They are looking for fellow travellers. I saw the thread, most seemed disgusted.

The BBC in particular hasn't helped, endlessly giving Farage airtime since at least 2015.

We didn't really have people living out their lives, real or imagined, online, like we do now. Early adopters were on fairly small scale browser based message board or, more likely, in news groups but the world and his slightly racist aunt wasn't able to be stirred up by social media en masse like they are, now. They had the telly, newspapers and in person contact with other people but no influence by ThreeRandomWords73 who has some quite strong opinions about British politics, exchanged at every opportunity, despite being likely to have never set foot in the country.

It's almost as they need us as an excuse to vote Reform

YouGov

While Keir Starmer's warning that the UK risked 'becoming an island of strangers' without changes to immigration law has sparked controversy, Britons tend to agree with his sentiment and language

Agree with sentiment: 53%
Disagree with sentiment: 27%

Language okay: 50%
Language not okay: 30%

https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lp2rwafufc2n

Hmm. I mean it looks like shit storm but equally, it’s generating a lot of copy and a proper discussion, this paper.

I never know the degree to which Labour manipulate press like the Tories used to. I suppose if I can’t tell, it’s successful

When ex PM Sunak called the election and was absolutely soaked , as no one had an umbrella for him, it did make him look like some kind of a loser and it seemed so unnecessery .
But what do I know.

The real damage was when he came back early from the D Day ceremony to do a media interview.

That was awful on D Day. I mean Starmer then got in to be PM in waiting and Cameron had a trip down memory lane in the photos.

Both “mistakes” in real time. Perhaps he just didn’t engage as he was done in. Politics is tough.

It certainly was the wrong optic @BIossomtoes .

The worst Sunak thing was Grimsby. I mean he looked scared. You could hear this terrible screaming outside the TV studio from the crowd.

I did feel for him then - he was carrying the can for decisions that he’d had very little to do with in that place.

I could almost feel sorry for Sunak but then I remember EOTHO and party gate.

Sunak’s low point was announcing the HS2 cut in Manchester (where HS2 was supposed to go until the announcement).
He didn’t even need to announce it right then, it was widely speculated in the press, but those optics were terrible.

I think Rishi Sunak has extra roles now though.
I googled as I hadn't read much about him recently.
As well as being an MP he was said to be joining Oxford University's Blavatnik school of Govt , as a member of its world leaders circle, and also was to take up a visiting fellowship at the Hoover institute, a think tank based at Stamford university. (This was from an article on the BBC page from Jan 25. )

It's funny 😄 but the reality seems to be that a Labour Government will mop up the floors, wipe up the bottoms and enrich us all.

Well excuse my French but feck that for a game of soldiers.

Labour are here to govern and that's what we will do.

Something I've noticed on Facebook. Comments that don't fit with the required narrative are hidden as not deemed relevant. So people are only seeing the right wing narrative unless they select all comments, and who actually does that every time?

It's the same on twitter, and although I don't use YouTube so can't verify, I would put money on it being the same.

Calm facts are being hidden in favour of hate so that the likes of Trump and his followers can enrich themselves.

Asylum hotel companies vow to hand back some profits

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2jw9jg99jo

Many thanks for some really informative posts & links for reading.
Honestly I don’t know what I think anymore in my head which is a bit like La La land I wish the Tories would apologise for how they mismanaged bloody everything for fourteen years join forces with Labour/Liberal Democrats/Greens & call out Reform & explain the “policies” they supposedly tout are nonsense & unworkable rather than both parties seemingly lurching ever more right & trying to outdo Reform, I know this isn’t going to happen apart from the alternative reality that lives inside my head ( I think I may be going slightly mad)
On a slightly different tangent I despised Boris IMHO he should be in prison as should some of his colleagues but I have never had the level of hatred that appears to be so prevalent & directed at the Labour government some of the threads on MN have been sickening, I dunno I’m throughly depressed saddened upset & slightly scared but also very frustrated with Labour comms & disappointed.