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Thread 23 Starmer - Reflux Remedy

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DuncinToffee · 06/05/2025 20:44

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Notonthestairs · 13/05/2025 12:26

i appreciate that this article is ancient and things may be different (maybe someone has more up to date info) but some companies do quite well out of care.
I don’t pretend to have the answers - it’s just frustrating that the review of the care sector will only be finalised towards the end of Parliament.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/07/care-home-operators-accused-of-extracting-disguised-profits

Care home operators accused of extracting 'disguised' profits

Many firms are based in tax havens and have questionable finances, says thinktank

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/07/care-home-operators-accused-of-extracting-disguised-profits

Notonthestairs · 13/05/2025 12:29

placemats · 13/05/2025 12:23

I'm keeping a close eye on Staffordshire. It has a high density of care homes. It'll be interesting to see how Reform tackle this. Obviously they'll blame the Government for lack of funding but this approach flies in the face of the low tax approach it publicly expounds.

Yes.

Thread 23 Starmer - Reflux Remedy
BIossomtoes · 13/05/2025 12:54

There really isn’t any need to be snarky, @SmegmaCausesBV it doesn’t go down well on these threads. If you spend a bit of time here you’ll find a high level of political awareness.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

PandoraSocks · 13/05/2025 12:56

SmegmaCausesBV · 13/05/2025 12:14

Because I suspect some will start on that they never saw any Lib policies on care - from the 2024 manifesto:

Care
In addition, we will:
Provide truly personalised care that empowers individuals by:
Trialling personal health and social care budgets so that individuals are in control of what care they receive.
Rolling out digital platforms for care users to develop networks, relationships and opportunities, connecting with care workers, friends and family, voluntary groups and more.
Improving communication standards so carers can support care users to co-produce and monitor care plans.
Developing a digital strategy for tech-enabled lives.
Establishing an Independent Living Taskforce to help people live independently in their own homes, as set out in chapter 10.

End the postcode lottery of service provision and provide national, high-quality care for everyone who needs it by:
Providing predictable, consistent funding for free personal care.
Increasing transparency and accountability as to how money is spent through local authorities.
Creating a National Care Agency to set national minimum standards of care.
Enabling individuals to transfer their care package so they don’t feel stuck in their current locality due to their care needs.

Give unpaid carers a fair deal by:
Increasing Carer’s Allowance and expanding eligibility for it, as set out in chapter 10.
Introducing a statutory guarantee of regular respite breaks for unpaid carers.
Introducing paid carer’s leave, building on the entitlement to unpaid leave secured by the Liberal Democrats.
Making caring a protected characteristic under the Equality Act 2010 and requiring employers to make reasonable adjustments to enable employees with caring responsibilities to provide that care.
Introducing a Young Carers Pupil Premium as part of an ‘Education Guarantee’ for young carers.

Make careers in social care more attractive and value experienced staff to improve retention by:
Creating a new Carer’s Minimum Wage, boosting the minimum wage for care workers by £2 an hour, as a starting point for improved pay across the sector.
Creating clear career pathways, linked to recommended pay scales, which put an end to the undervaluing of skills in the sector.
Creating a career ladder to allow flexibility to work across the NHS and social care, allowing staff to gain experience in both.
Creating a Royal College of Care Workers to represent this skilled workforce.
Expanding the NHS Digital Staff Passport to include the care sector.

Recruit more staff to the sector with a social care workforce plan, akin to the NHS England workforce plan, that includes ethical international recruitment.

Support people to age well by:
Establishing a Commissioner for Older People and Ageing.
Rolling out active ageing programmes and trips and falls assessments for everyone over the age of 75 to prevent falls, avoid unnecessary hospital admissions and promote healthy ageing.
Opening fracture liaison services so that osteoporosis patients can get the treatment they need and prevent long-term issues and costs.

Support children in kinship care and their family carers by:
Introducing a statutory definition of kinship care.
Building on the existing pilot to develop a weekly allowance for all kinship carers.

Make care experience a protected characteristic under the Equality Act 2010 to strengthen the rights of people who are in or have been in care.

Refresh the national strategy for loneliness collaboratively with service providers and people who have lived experience of loneliness, to be overseen by a dedicated Minister for Tackling Loneliness.

That is a very admirable set of aims.

The thing is, the Lib Dems could promise what they wanted in 2024 as it was pretty much a foregone conclusion that Labour would win. We all know that once a party is in power, the reality is always different. Even the Lib Dems, rather famously, have form for it.

ilovesooty · 13/05/2025 13:16

BIossomtoes · 13/05/2025 09:18

I saw that too before it was deleted. Very nasty.

Disgusting. I didn't see that but I sincerely hope that poster has been banned. ETA I see not even suspended. Disappointing.

PickAChew · 13/05/2025 13:35

And I think we need a reminder that this is not an uncritical Starmer fan thread but one that has been around for a long time, named for the current PM.

And also that there has been plenty of praise for the Lib Dems and Ed Davey where it's due with some of us having voted Lib Dem in either the recent or distant past and some of us willing to vote for them in the future.

LlynTegid · 13/05/2025 13:45

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 10:29

King Charles is to host Emmanuel Macron on a state visit to the UK
from 8-10 July, Buckingham Palace has announced.

Edited

Three days of relief for the French President from his domestic troubles, with a National Assembly which has only about a third of his party/alliance.

Ironic he may bow to the King when the 'france unbowed' party are the main ones causing him grief.

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 14:49

Will it trigger a by-election

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-mp-patrick-spencer-charged-with-sexual-assaults-13367001

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placemats · 13/05/2025 15:08

Suspended and the whip withdrawn from the Conservative Party. The charge is serious and a trail will proceed. No talking about it because of that.

Bye election depending on the plea and trail result IF found guilty.

Barbadossunset · 13/05/2025 15:09

DuncinToffee · Today 14:49
Will it trigger a by-election

I guess so as presumably he’ll have to resign.

bombastix · 13/05/2025 15:19

Is it me or are some of the more Tory interlocutors really really angry about Starmer and the white paper? I mean to a slightly mad level which is not explained by usual tribal dislike.

Maybe just me

Notonthestairs · 13/05/2025 15:21

By election if he resigns, pleads guilty, is found guilty or there is a recall petition signed by 10% of the voting constituency.

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 15:21

I am being accused of having promised the world and magic trees with a Labour government HmmGrin

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BIossomtoes · 13/05/2025 15:21

Not just you.

bombastix · 13/05/2025 15:22

DuncinToffee · 13/05/2025 15:21

I am being accused of having promised the world and magic trees with a Labour government HmmGrin

Yes I get the sotto impression they are totally furious about these proposals. I mean really angry they didn’t do they (let’s face it they have probably been proposals in the Hime Office for years)

Notonthestairs · 13/05/2025 15:23

Good grief, we spent half of last year discussing how difficult/impossible the Shit List was to tackle - there were absolutely no promises of magic money or anything else.

Frankly I am fairly certain the Conservatives were relieved to lose.

BIossomtoes · 13/05/2025 15:25

Notonthestairs · 13/05/2025 15:23

Good grief, we spent half of last year discussing how difficult/impossible the Shit List was to tackle - there were absolutely no promises of magic money or anything else.

Frankly I am fairly certain the Conservatives were relieved to lose.

I think Sunak set out to do it quite deliberately.

Rivypike · 13/05/2025 15:26

bombastix · 12/05/2025 17:38

I totally agree! The first break was Johnson and his sunlit uplands. Labour should have realised their vote was going soft. It may yet totally melt.

Brexit is in part about the failure to give good living standards to UK citizens. Lack of investment, poverty, decline of towns and aspiration. The cheap line is to blame foreigners. It’s a crock

Some northern towns have been a magnet for migrants though because they have a low cost of living and cheap housing. I feel ashamed saying this but my local town centre which already is just a hollowed out husk of a place, seems to have experienced a fairly obvious demographic change. I’m relatively relaxed about immigration and work with some lovely lovely international nurses who have made a hugely positive contribution to our ward, but there’s a dearth of jobs round here, even NMW ones. Opportunities are few and services are being stretched because the town is already poor and now has to struggle with individuals and families who have poor English, minimal educational attainment etc . It’s just a perfect storm. And Farage will benefit from it. I appreciate much of this was caused by austerity and chronic underinvestment btw.

PandoraSocks · 13/05/2025 15:32

bombastix · 13/05/2025 15:22

Yes I get the sotto impression they are totally furious about these proposals. I mean really angry they didn’t do they (let’s face it they have probably been proposals in the Hime Office for years)

They have spent months harping on about Starmer being soft on immigration. Now he's doing at least some of what they wanted, to the extent that he is pissing off some of his own supporters, they are positively frothing with rage.

bombastix · 13/05/2025 15:35

@Rivypike good points there, it will be Farage’s gain up to a point.

This White Paper is actually doing what was it was intended to do. Farage is all about small boats. Now we are talking real structural issues with migration in the space of a day.

mmm. Funny that

PandoraSocks · 13/05/2025 15:46

Many of us on here hated Johnson, but the hate spewed at Starmer on MN and elsewhere is on another level.

The wish to see severe harm visited upon him, the slyly homophobic and racist insults (he's having an affair with Lord Ali, he's converted to Islam in secret etc. are things I have seen on MN) the general visceral disgust at whatever he does, good or bad, is something else.

I think there is just general fury that Labour won the GE and can't be ousted. The haters will end up giving themselves heart attacks if they keep this up for another four years

bombastix · 13/05/2025 15:48

It’s all got very disgusted of Tunbridge Wells with calls for decency and how people can have the gall…

Quite funny. But also revealing

BIossomtoes · 13/05/2025 15:51

PandoraSocks · 13/05/2025 15:46

Many of us on here hated Johnson, but the hate spewed at Starmer on MN and elsewhere is on another level.

The wish to see severe harm visited upon him, the slyly homophobic and racist insults (he's having an affair with Lord Ali, he's converted to Islam in secret etc. are things I have seen on MN) the general visceral disgust at whatever he does, good or bad, is something else.

I think there is just general fury that Labour won the GE and can't be ousted. The haters will end up giving themselves heart attacks if they keep this up for another four years

Does anyone else remember this level of tantrumming in 97? My recollection is that Tory voters just got on with life.

bombastix · 13/05/2025 15:58

No I don’t recall it. But these are different economic times.

BIossomtoes · 13/05/2025 16:02

bombastix · 13/05/2025 15:58

No I don’t recall it. But these are different economic times.

That doesn’t explain the visceral hatred. Some of it’s unhinged.