Thread 23 Starmer - Reflux Remedy

[DuncinToffee]

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I totally agree! The first break was Johnson and his sunlit uplands. Labour should have realised their vote was going soft. It may yet totally melt.

Brexit is in part about the failure to give good living standards to UK citizens. Lack of investment, poverty, decline of towns and aspiration. The cheap line is to blame foreigners. It’s a crock

Sadly it is a line that works

Yep. This is more relevant than ever.

https://pjhollis123.medium.com/careful-mate-that-foreigner-wants-your-cookie-aba1c536b0d8

I think really Labour need to be more clever; this kind of ding dong politics suits Farage. It’s good copy.

i despair a bit re Clive Lewis et al. Labour will always scratch itself in public as my mother used to say. Also drives Farage etc and his creepy narrative.

Farage is about channel crossings, nothing else

Fuck’s sake.
Where is this country going?
That was in response to Duncin’s comment about the Tories

The cap Cameron set went so well. What do they think has changed, I wonder?

Lib Dems and Greens are attacking on the rhetoric used but not on the white paper.

This is bollocks. The cap doesn’t work as a political risk (note Farage won’t give one either) and Article 8 (while a qualified right) can’t properly be legislated out of an entire group as it would clearly be discriminatory on the basis of Article 14 ECHR.

The above is why Reform want rid of the ECHR. Once you get rid of it then all discriminatory law goes out of the window.

There is a way to qualify Article 8 which is lawful and it looks like Labour will legislate to prevent “exceptional circumstances” being used as it has been. That’s okay with me

Yes. And then they start blaming those said asylum seekers for being there.

but people just hear the words - they don’t bother with the actual truth.

They did it because it benefited them to do it.

Sad but true.

If reform get in what exactly will they do other than puncture a few dingies?

I still believe in Sir Keir Starmer, he is our very best option - by far.
Farage and co won't save us.
The Tories have shown what they can do for us over the last 14 years.

The media will never give Labour a break so they need to just crack on with it and save their counter attack for the next GE when I honestly believe the UK will be in a very much better position for having had Labour in government.
In my opinion.

The rhetoric Starmer used is awful though, especially if you are an immigrant or related to them.

I think it’s being taken a bit out of context, in fairness. It’s coming across poorly but he wasn’t saying immigrants are ‘strangers’. He was talking about a shared plan. “In a diverse nation like ours, and I celebrate that, these rules become even more important. Without them, we risk becoming an island of strangers, not a nation that walks forward together.”

Likewise @PandoraSocks and @Cardibach.

I am a Plaid voter and I think hell would freeze over before Reform were elected in the part of north Wales where I live, thankfully.

But I am very concerned about which way the Senedd elections will go. I'm still hoping that enough people will see how useless Reform are by the time the election comes round.

This is beyond belief, Ann Widdecombe thinks they have gone too far 🤯

Has she told Tice?

Jesus wept. Is this Wonderland?

Apparently the Reform complaint is now that Starmer’s changes will only get migration down to pre Brexit levels. FFS clown people with their clown ideas

They are admitting then that their Brexit increased immigration?

That’s certainly the implication. What an own goal.

Pre Brexit- 210k
Post Brexit -720k
2022 - 870k
2023 - 905k
2024 - 728k
2025 - ?

Screw the Tories. Look at these numbers. Functional addiction to cheap labour and not investing in our own people.

But look at the small boats over here. Bunch of grubby hustlers

I have read that again now it has calmed down a bit and the 'a nation that walks forward together' was something I missed.

Worrying news

Counter-terrorism police have arrested a 21-year-old man on suspicion of arson at the home of UK PM Sir Keir Starmer.

I'm surprised Labour isn't making more of this....

Farage helped give us Brexit, the Tories implemented this disasterous policy.