Funeral of Pope Francis

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Watching it now. I'm not religious - but it is a fascinating watch and a beautiful setting.

My feelings are similar too.
There are things about the catholic church that don't sit comfortably with me but its not going any where and i think Pope Francis was a good man who lead by example and i hope his influence continues and that a lot has been learnt from him which will continue in the hands of the next Pope.

Anyone else wondering what Trump and Zelensky said to each other beforehand?!
ETA I think they had a meeting inside beforehand.

Blue goes well with orange

I don’t know, he only had one member of his family at his funeral.

Good point.

Born mid 60s. We always kneeled at the altar for my church in England and when at home in Westmeath, ireland

The altar rail was removed at our Irish church and many people were upset by that.
The altar rail is still at our church here in England but the priests usually stand in front of it now at the head of each aisle.
I can’t remember when this changed but everyone kneeled at my parents funerals ( 2013 and 2014 ) because the priest asked us if we wanted that. It nice to have a choice

I see the ones who treated paedophilia and instances of abuse as mere management issues, mildly irritating but routine cases where you forgot about the victims as a matter of course, and moved the perpetrators to another parish or diocese.

As if they were incompetent yet unfireable employees who might benefit from a clean start in another department.

@Calliopespa apparently a good and productive possibly historical meeting according to zelensky and in such auspicious circumstances

That’s what I heard. Fingers crossed. It would be lovely if something like that came out of it.

There’s an excellent film called
The Two Popes with Anthony Hopkins playing Pope Benedict and Jonathan Pryce playing Pope Francis.

Its a funny film and based on reality.
There are lots of scenes like the Pope trying to phone people and being cut off because no one believes the Pope would do that

Theres another where the two of them hide in a tiny cupboard/ room from tourists in case they get seen. Then break free from protocol and open the door to the delight of the crowds.

If it gets the war to stop I’m sure Il Papa would have approved!

I think that it’s where he can have people he was really close to. I think there is more tradition in the Vatican ceremony and frankly the Catholic Church has a long way to go recognising and elevating the role of women in the church. Still no women priests or deacons.

I still have my mums black veils from mass.
I didn’t know they were called mantillas, so I’ve learnt something new today

I remember her wearing them for funerals 70s possibly. She definitely wore them in Ireland when women sat on the left of the church and men on the right. 70s again. I can’t remember if that relaxed in the 80s, I didn’t notice. My grandad always went to the right and we to the left.

I was born in Ireland a few years after you in 1969 but I don’t remember my mum wearing a mantilla or white gloves to Mass. However, my sisters and I did wear our school uniforms and a white mantilla for our confirmations. That’s long gone now of course. And I’m a lapsed Catholic.

You have to bear in mind that what we hear on TV is not what the faithful hear outside in the square. In this case, the amplified organ is not there for the singers (who would, no doubt, manage perfectly well without it) but for the entire congregation to participate in the responses and other sung parts of the liturgy. The organist is there to enable/lead the sung congregational response and is not 'tagging along'. There are huge acoustic problems in holding such a large outdoor mass and it seems that this is how they normally deal with some of them. Signed, a church organist.

Wasn't Charles and Camilla's wedding postponed because he had to attend a papal funeral? John Paul II, I think.

Agree.
Theres no rules on how important you are at a funeral and what colour you should wear.
Maybe that’s a local thing,

Absolutely. I have been to a few.

And yet every other world leader managed to dress in a sober shade. If you think this choice wasn’t deliberate to make himself stand out, you haven’t been paying much attention to every other bit of his behaviour ever.

Hopefully doesn’t end with the aggressor getting all the spoils !

No
Hes not a vegetarian

I think some people here need to turn the brightness down on their screens. I'm no more a Trump admirer than the next person, but there was nothing wrong with his suit. It was a suitably deep shade of blue. To read some comments here, anyone would think he'd turned up dressed as Mr. Tumble.

I’m not commenting on the black issue.
Im commenting on the PP that said black is kept for immediate family only and to wear black would be disrespectful. That’s not a Catholic thing at all

The respectful colour is black, whoever you are
Trump is an arse!

@Allseeingallknowing the aggressor wants the whole of Ukraine so hopefully a compromise can be reached and USA can get in there as a buffer/backstop.

Then Ukraine can start to rebuild and also build up their fighting funds and have the air power they are lacking now.
Then Russia will never try again.
Zelelensky himself said it was a productive meeting so let's hope

Unfortunately being pragmatic Putin will never ever loose Face, back 👇 say he's sorry and and hand back land.

Was it dog friendly?