How have you been affected by the Tran's community?

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As there are so many posts on here that discuss Transgenderism, has anyone been directly affected by the Tran's community, good or bad?
I'm quite young and only know one Tran's gender person, as far as I'm aware.

The first difference is that biological sex affects the likelihood of violent and sexual crime in a way that other characteristics don't.

This is why it matters that trans women are actually men. If you take what you are saying to it's logical conclusion, then you should be in favour of ending all sex based segregation. Are you? Should we just abolish women's changing rooms, women's sport, women's clubs, women's refuges? Or do you acknowledge that men pose a disproportionate threat of violence to women and have physical advantages over women?

The second difference is that noone is calling for trans identified men to be deported, or to have fewer rights than any other type of man. Only that they do not have the exact same sex based rights and protections as women, because they are not women.

If you want to make an analogy to race, should a white person be eligible for BAME awards? If not, why not? Are there any circumstances when they should be eligible? Is what Rachel Dolezal did wrong? Does what she did matter - she was only 1 person after all?

@Strawberryorangejuice

You describe someone whose behaviour was completely deranged. If someone is showing signs of significant mental illness at work, why wouldn't you say something to your manager?

"The first difference is that biological sex affects the likelihood of violent and sexual crime in a way that other characteristics don't."

There are lots of behaviors that are statistically more common in some demographics than in others.

So black men are over represented in the prison system.

Would it be fair for me to be more fearful and suspicious of black men, and maybe less likely to hire them to a position of trust, because they belong to a group with higher levels of criminality?

I wouldn't say it was clear mental illness. I would say it was aggression. Agression which is more typically found in a man than a woman. The fact the person was a trans female muddied the waters as I didn't feel comfortable reporting for fear of being called a bigot or perhaps it being suggested that it 'sounds legit' as has been suggested here. I.e. it sounds made up. Basically the response here is an example of the reason I felt unable to report it all those years ago and that is a problem..

Two came into the ladies' in town the other week, one hadn't even bothered dressing to look female and to say all of us actual ladies were shocked is an understatement. Two ladies had young girls with them, anyway we all just walked out. Seemed to be happening more and more so am glad of this judgement as men have no right to be in women's spaces. They are men, should be called men or better still call all men transwomen and be done with it.

There is no behaviour they relates to any other characteristic in the way that violence, and particularly sexual violence, relates to being male. Edit: nor is there any characteristic other than age which differentiates 2 groups physically/biologically to any where near the extent that sex does.

Can you answer my question - do you believe that women's changing rooms, hospital wards, sports, clubs, awards and refuges should be abolished? If not, what is the grounds for your belief? If you do, then please own it by saying so.

"The second difference is that noone is calling for trans identified men to be deported, or to have fewer rights than any other type of man. Only that they do not have the exact same sex based rights and protections as women, because they are not women."

No - you just want them criminalise for using women's facilities.

BTW - if a trans woman 'passes' and is on the receiving end of sexual harassment and discrimination from someone who assumes she's a biological woman, you don't think she's deserving of the same protections as a female? Is that because you think by being transgender she's 'bringing it on herself' and could have opted out of being harassed by just choosing not to be transgender?

If you say so 😁

What’s funny, @MrsSkylerWhite ?

I'm just looking forward to the campaigners coming down from their high when it slowly dawns on them over the next few years that while this ruling will make life extremely difficult for most transgender women who are all affected by it, it'll make fuck all material difference to everyone else because - statistics - most women have never and will never knowingly have to share a women's space with a transgender person, ergo this ruling makes no fucking difference.

Can you clarify why not being able to enter into female only spaces is being treated differently or less than other men? I don't know about criminalise, but I want to prohibit it yes. It's wrong. Men should not use women's facilities because they are men, not women.

I think trans women are equally as deserving of protection and safeguarding as women are. Just as I believe the same thing about all vulnerable men. I believe that men deserve recourse from domestic violence for example - just not in women's refuges. This isn't controversial when it comes to other men. I don't hate other men either. I don't think all men are some kind of cesspit of violent raping scum. But you either believe in women's spaces, or you don't. I notice you haven't been able to answer my question.

Is that all you have? Did you read about the five trans women(five men) who were in a single-sex female toilet at Butlins? This situation occurs whether or not you have seen it yourself, or in your case, perhaps you haven't yet? If this judgement hadn't of happened, it would have only been a matter of time.

How can you say this when we've seen high profile cases of women hounded out of employment over this very issue? Not to mention women losing out in sport. A few women affected by this is enough.

No, I'd prefer women and people who have transitioned to be a woman in the toilet. I don't want the opportunity for great hulking men to come in and lie that they were female at birth.

It's a nonsense that you can always tell. And now I can't say anything if some six foot muscly man comes in because you specifically want people who look like men in the women's toilets.

That worries me. And no amount of saying it's obvious who is trans and who isn't will reassure me because I personally know trans people who completely pass.

The SC made it quite clear that if a man is discriminated against because someone thinks he's a woman, he is protected as it would be sexism. The same way that if someone abused me because they thought I was, for example, Jewish, even though I'm not, it would still be a anti semitic attack.

Two trans women entered a public loo, one of whom didn’t bother dressing like a woman (what does a woman dress like? I’m a woman, I usually wear trousers) and everyone left in protest?

Unlikely.

So… do you think that black and white sprinters should sprint in different categories?
Do you think men and women should sprint in different categories?

um men dominated the news over and over again with this dogma, used established lobbying tactics to dominate government activity. cost the government millions if not more when it's stupidly obvious that men in dresses are still men.
all the while confusing children with spreading this ideology and indoctrinating little ones into believing men can be women and give birth.
was i affected, a large percentage of tv shows had their token trans person and i and many others boycotted watching the olympics.

all this is $$ that could have been spent on mental health physical health and actual education where biology is taught.
lost sleep over the concept that women are no longer entitled to safe spaces. and that young girls in sport could have their spot on a team usurped by a man...
lots of non direct repercussions.
so many professional organizations swallowed the kool aid, a waste of my union dues.

It used to be the case that if you "passed" you could enter whichever toilet and there would be no issue. But transactivism has taken us to the point where you can be a burly man wearing femme fetish gear and feel entitled to enter a women's toilets and people aren't sure if that's on or not or what the hell they are supposed to do.

Transactivism is responsible for that, not feminism. Who knows what proportion of blokes that engage in this specific behaviour have a trans identify Vs are piggybacking on transactivism to act out a sexual fetish and/or gain access to women.

Women are right to defend this boundary. Though I believe that's had the unfortunate consequences of making things unnecessarily difficult for trans men (not an opinion shared by everyone who is gender critical), who let's face it, pose very little risks to anyone because they are actually women.

I would have thought, if you are a trans man and you pass, just use the men's. Because men aren't constantly surveying their environment for sexual predators, the way that women do, they won't notice or care. Controversial but that's my take. Single sex spaces are about protecting women. Men have a separate toilet so that they will have somewhere to piss, not to keep them safe from women. Perhaps the solution is a women's toilet and an "open category" toilet.

A lot. Some disabled people need to be able to use the loo immediately due to their physical needs. Some arsehole male hogging it can mean they are in acute physical pain or have accidents.

All your posts are as superficial as caramel though - 'caring' on the surface and quite happily going along with situations that create acute and severe discomfort for people. Trans rights activist all over.

I agree that trans men should be using the men's toilet. What worries me is how often I've read recently that they should be in the women's toilets. Which means men can now comfortably come into the toilet just as they are.

That doesn't make me feel safe at all.

How do you “transition to be a woman”, do you think?

You do realise that by your logic actual men, not women identifying as men, can just come in as themselves claiming to have “transitioned”, which means precisely nothing, don’t you?

Ooh, Miss, Miss, I know!

You start off as a zygote with no y chromosome,are born as a female baby, grow into being a girl and then go through female puberty and grow up!!

Do I get a gold star?

Why? Do you want to nitpick at whatever my answer might be?