How have you been affected by the Tran's community?

[BabuFrick]

As there are so many posts on here that discuss Transgenderism, has anyone been directly affected by the Tran's community, good or bad?
I'm quite young and only know one Tran's gender person, as far as I'm aware.

It’s not Holier than Thou. It’s blatant racism is what it is.

I encountered an aggressive trans female in a work toilet once on several occasions. This was a long time ago now. I was taken aback by the interactions and had it been anyone else I would have probably complained but didn't feel I could.

There was another incident where a trans woman complained about someone I worked for and advice we issued. The advice had been issued to try and be supportive but it backfired. This person called up every week at the same time and came across as very controlling and manipulative in the way she spoke to me. I dreaded it. It was like talking to a school bully and was very gas lighty in the way she spoke. It was horrible..

I haven't really encountered any other trans people that I'm aware of or can recall but I can probably only remember those incidents because it wasn't a nice experience. Same as when I encountered an aggressive male on the tube who shoved me and told me to 'take your fucking sunglasses off'. Otherwise it is just another person I've met like any male/female.

Can’t you complain about your employer, Tutti? Is it a large company or an individual?

All this ‘won’t someone think of the menz’ handwringing crap pisses me right off. As Victoria Smith said, who the fuck looks at rape victims and thinks ‘what a bunch of evil cows not letting men into their single sex spaces’?

This thread is like I’ve gone back in time to 2017, it’s bizarre.

It’s absolute insanity that a common sense ruling that sex as defined by the 2010 Equality Act means biological sex is causing so much handwringing. It feels like five minutes ago that everyone knew that women were real and not a set of sexist stereotypes or an idea in men’s heads. God help any of you with young autistic children. The internet is a cesspit full of sick men grooming vulnerable children into self-hatred, hating their loving parents, illicit hormones and a desire for mutilating surgery. You have no fucking idea how dark this ideology is.

There’s nothing prejudicial about not wanting males in female spaces. It’s common sense as it’s generally males - yes, including those in dresses - who commit the most assaults on females. Tell me, how do you ascertain which of those males are the good guys?

As a mum to one likely autistic and possibly another, it terrifies me!

What? So now women who object to men in their single sex spaces are being racist? how does that work then?

How other people think of themselves affects me not one bit. I'm astonished by the number of people here who see the way other people feel about themselves and their place in this world as a personal affront to them.

Do you encourage the delusions of someone with anorexia or bulimia who truly believes they are obese by agreeing with them that they are indeed overweight even if your eyes tell you they are cleverly underweight?

Do you agree with someone having hallucination of bugs crawling out their arms or that the CIA have implanted their brain with listening to devices or controlling decides that these things are indeed true and happening to them?

Or do you disagree with these delusions when confronted with them (as so many people have to - emergency service workers, mental health service workers, medical workers, the Samaritans, any number of family members, friends and loved ones of these people suffering delusions)?

I have always been trained NOT to agree with delusions and not to encourage such behaviour. Why is a man who thinks he's a woman in any way different? Why do we accept this delusion and not others?

How very ‘I’m alright, Jack’. Don’t you have empathy for the people who are affected? Girls who have lost sports races or scholarships, women in prison who have been assaulted, Muslim women who can’t swim anymore. I guess they don’t matter.

You think transgender women never used to use women's facilities?

On what do you base that belief? You had a couple of transgender friends who told you they didn't and you're assuming this applied to all transgender women in the past?

@Strawberryorangejuice

"I encountered an aggressive trans female in a work toilet once on several occasions."

What did she do that was aggressive? Did she touch you or threaten you?

The victims of those 92 sex offenders will be relieved to know that they're not statistically significant.

33% of Team GB went to fee paying schools. Success in sports in the UK seems often to be down to coming from a family who are well off enough to pay for you to attend a school with great sports facilities, though I'll give you, there are vast numbers of women who were just born naturally taller, faster and stronger than me. IT'S NOT FAIR!!!! And it's not fair that a hugely disproportionate number of the most successful sprinters in the world are black. According to the internet it's because black runners may have a genetic advantage based on differences in fast twitch muscle fibres and a higher centre of mass. Obviously training also makes a difference (like it does with trans athletes). Maybe black sprinters shouldn't be allowed to compete in the same races as white sprinters.

As for sexual assaults in prison - yup, it's terrible, and any person who is in prison for sexual assault needs to be kept separate from the normal prison population. Sadly women in prisons where there are no transgender prisoners also get sexually assaulted by other female prisoners. Sexual assaults and violence in women's prisons is increasing. The majority of sexual and violent offences in women's prisons are committed by women. Sadly, lack of transgender women in a women's prison doesn't seem to stop sexual and violent offending in those places.

Re: Muslim women swimming - in the vanishingly unlikely event of a Muslim woman encountering a transgender woman at one of the 'women only' swimming events they hold in local authority pools, then yes, this might be problematic for her. I live in an area where there is a big Muslim community - there are 4 mosques within walking distance of my home. My local pool holds women only swimming sessions. There's never been any public indication that transgender women are banned from these events and yet they still seem to be very well attended by a diverse range of women. Are you aware of Muslim women not attending these sessions in your local pool on the vanishingly unlikely chance they might encounter a transgender person?

They weren’t saying that to be fair, they were saying if someone WAS racist and didn’t feel safe around someone of a different ethnicity, they would be told to check themselves.

Dont get me wrong, it’s a fucking stupid argument, but accusing someone of being a bigot when you don’t like their argument is exactly why women are too scared to voice these issues with men in women’s spaces!

The question is, do you think we should bother segregating at all?

Do you think we should have fully mixed changing rooms and toilets? Scrap women’s refuges? All mixed sports? No sex diversity quota in workplaces? Is that your genuine belief?

I work in the NHS so yes I've been affected by it a lot. I very much resent that we've been forced to change our medical language and we're forced to say that biological facts arent true, stick our pronouns on everything risking the sack if we don't, ask 90 year olds what their pronouns are while they just look at you totally baffled, and so on and so forth.
The week after the ruling it was all dropped like it never happened. Nobody apologised for victimising us and threatening to dismiss us if we didn't comply with common sense and factual science.

It's just like Trump pointing to the victims of migrant crime to justify deporting all undocumented people.

And when you say 'that's demagoguery', the MAGA response is 'why do democrats hate women? Don't you care about the women who were raped and killed by migrants? Don't those women matter to you?'.

What's the difference between that sort of demagoguery and the demagoguery of TERFS?

No, it wasn't physical but was more mannerisms/ the way she acted. She started slamming doors and bashing things, while staring at me like she might hurt me. It was very un nerving. I tried to make excuses for it but can't understand it to this day. It was aggressive in what I would think of as being very stereotypical male behaviour. I've questioned why many times. Was it some sort of hormones she was on (I'm clueless on these things)? Was she intentionally aggressive? She had always been stand offish but the final time was so full on aggressive that I made no attempt to engage with her again and I had tried previously, just with a 'hi, how are you' or similar as she didn't work in my department so I only really saw her when in the kitchen, staff room or toilets.

I'm not a bigot (I don't think, I hope not) and as far as I'm concerned people can live as they wish/feel. Regardless of gender, the behaviourist was unpleasant and not appropriate for the work place. I didn't feel I could talk to anyone about it really as I felt I might be considered prejudiced. I did tell my line manager but in a friends way rather than professional.

I'm not responsible thank God for influencing children to get themselves mutilated for life only to change their minds later on only now too late. Not my department.

Were you told you'd lose your job if you didn't put your pronouns on your emails?

"we're forced to say that biological facts aren't true"

Can you give us a real example of this and explain what 'forcing' means?

I'm sorry you've been traumatised by having to acknowledge transgender people exist. I also work in a healthcare related field and have used inclusive language and witnessed other people using it. Can't say I've been traumatised by it in the same way that you have, but we're all different.

Imagine the rise in that statistic if things carried on the way it was!! Might be good to dispose of the word transwomen and just use man because biologically, truthfully that is what they are!

@Strawberryorangejuice

"No, it wasn't physical but was more mannerisms/ the way she acted. She started slamming doors and bashing things, while staring at me like she might hurt me. It was very un nerving"

Slamming doors and 'bashing things' is 'physical'. What doors was she 'slamming'? The toilet door? Just one door? Because you said 'doors'? What was she bashing? Do you mean hit with her hand? What did she hit?

"while staring at me like she might hurt me." - ie, 'she looked at me funny'.

No impact at all.